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shawn
Member Since: 23 Aug 2005
Location: At the top of the hill
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hi all
i have just started to notice that when i start my d3 up for the first time in a morning it does not have any power and when i put it into drive it will not go anywhere it just will not rev at all
after it has been running for about 10 seconds it is fine and when i start it again a few hours later its ok.
it only happens once for the first time in a morning, any ideas anyone
cheers shawn bali blue disco 4 with rear dvd's, privacy glass, pre heat system, heated steering wheel, full size spare, piano black trim, ipod cable, 20 inch wheels and i love it loads more than my TDV8 RRS, KTM 250 EXC 2 Stroke for the real off road stuff
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 15th Jan 2007 12:44 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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sounds like a problem with a valve block in the gearbox allowing the transmission fluid to drain away from the torque converter 
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| 15th Jan 2007 12:47 pm |
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JakobVels
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Copenhagen
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Does it rev (engine) but accelerate very slow with higher engine revs.
That is what i beleive has been referred to as the "morning roar" which is quite normal and common.
Mine does it too. At first when i try to accelerate theres a lot going on under the bonnet but no acceleration. Second time i hit the throttle the engine has more of the real tdv6 sound and acceleration is normal.
If it will not move at all you should let the dealer have a look at it though.
Cheers
Jakob
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| 15th Jan 2007 1:30 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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Just re-read your post Shawn  if it won't rev, then it's fuel related,
This TSB may help
LA303-019 Discovery 3/LR3 - Rough Engine Idle After Cold Start
A customer may report a concern that the engine idle quality is poor for 10 to 25 seconds after starting from cold for the first time during the day. No poor idle or power loss is experienced after the first initial cold start of the day and all other engine starts of the day, whether the engine is warm or hot, do not result in the same poor idle quality.
Cause: Contamination (debris/dirt or corrosion) in the fuel injectors affects injector spray and delivery rate. Contamination ingress can occur during various operations such as vehicle maintenance or repair and running on contaminated fuel. An injector with damaged internal sealing will also result in unmetered fuel entering the intake manifold.
Action: Should a customer express concern regarding the above, refer to the Diagnostic Procedure detailed in this bulletin to establish the root cause of the issue.
Diagnostic Procedure
1 . Check with the vehicle owner/user that only diesel fuel to the correct specification or automotive gas oil to EN590 with a maximum 5% biofuel is being used. If an incorrect fuel is being used: 1 . Drain the fuel tank. For additional information, refer to Global Technical Reference (GTR) Discovery 3/LR3 Workshop Manual Section 310-00, Fuel Tank Draining (19.55.02).
2 . Renew the fuel filter. For additional information, refer to Global Technical Reference (GTR) Discovery 3/LR3 Workshop Manual Section 310-01C, Fuel Filter Element (19.25.02).
3 . Fill with the correct specification fuel.
4 . Re-test the vehicle. If the problem is resolved, no further action is required. If the problem still exists, continue to the next step.
2 . Check the fuel in the vehicle for abnormal discoloration. If the fuel is discolored: 1 . Drain the fuel tank. For additional information, refer to Global Technical Reference (GTR) Discovery 3/LR3 Workshop Manual Section 310-00, Fuel Tank Draining (19.55.02).
2 . Renew the fuel filter. For additional information, refer to Global Technical Reference (GTR) Discovery 3/LR3 Workshop Manual Section 310-01C, Fuel Filter Element (19.25.02).
3 . Fill with the correct specification fuel.
4 . Re-test the vehicle. If the problem is resolved, no further action is required. If the problem still exists, continue to the next step.
3 . NOTE: DO NOT REJECT a set of injectors if the flow rate values are even, but outside of the expected values. The actual injector spill return rate will be affected by fuel rail pressure and fuel temperature. Only reject the injectors with much higher spill return than the others. Experience shows the flow will be very high on failed injectors and will fill the test bottle within two minutes.
Complete an injector balance test and injector spill test using the test limit data below and renew the injectors as necesary.For additional information, refer to Global Technical Reference (GTR) Discovery 3/LR3 Workshop Manual Section 303-04C, Injector Balance/Spill Test (19.90.08).
Injector Balance Test Values and Injector Spill Test Return Flow Rates
NOTE: Injector balance limits are 970 to 1.3K (Renew any injector outside this limit). Injectors with a balance value outside of 960 to 1.4K will cause a DTC to be logged.
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| 15th Jan 2007 1:38 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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There's also this one, although if you've had the enhancement programme carried out, it won't be relevant
TSB LA303-009 Discovery 3/LR3 - Cold Start Throttle Response
Diesel engined vehicles only, Automatic transmission vehicles only VIN-range: 5A300394-6A389121
Summary:
A customer may report a concern that after selecting 'D' (drive) or '2' (manual gear 2) in the automatic transmission when the engine has just been started in cold conditions, the engine will not respond to throttle inputs and the engine revs will not increase from idle. The condition only occurs between 0-15 seconds after engine start.
Cause: The cold start condition is resulting in a temporary low idle speed and a software calibration issue prevents the engine revs from increasing until the correct idle speed is reached.
Action: Should a customer express concern regarding the above, refer to the Service Procedure detailed in this bulletin to update the engine control module software.
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| 15th Jan 2007 1:43 pm |
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Cliff H
Member Since: 27 Oct 2005
Location: Home of the Pork pie and Stilton
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I had this happen on my first one.
Was put down to the software. Zermatt silver 06 reg.
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| 15th Jan 2007 1:51 pm |
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shawn
Member Since: 23 Aug 2005
Location: At the top of the hill
Posts: 574
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if they do the softwear thing will it wipe my tc chip off 
cheers shawn bali blue disco 4 with rear dvd's, privacy glass, pre heat system, heated steering wheel, full size spare, piano black trim, ipod cable, 20 inch wheels and i love it loads more than my TDV8 RRS, KTM 250 EXC 2 Stroke for the real off road stuff
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| 15th Jan 2007 5:01 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
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yep get the fuel filter and injectors checked first though
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| 15th Jan 2007 5:07 pm |
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Swifty
Member Since: 13 Sep 2006
Location: here
Posts: 245
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Guys,
Read this with interest - 2 mornings in the last week mine has done this, or similar.
Starts up, runs v.rough but ticks over. Press the gas, nothing happens. Wait. Still no power. BAttery Warning light flickering on the dash.
Switch it off. Start it up again and voila - just like nothing had ever happened?
Dealer could find nothing on Diagnostic and could not replicate it overnight,
Any advice much appreciated!
THanks
Rich
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| 27th Jan 2007 12:08 am |
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bumph
Member Since: 14 Sep 2011
Location: teesside
Posts: 31
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help, any ideas as mine did this this morning too, please any ideas as didnt like it at all, car has been fine but i do know i have two snapped injectors!
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| 13th Dec 2012 7:56 am |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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I have seen injectors cause similar issues. Need to leave the car overnight, and have it plugged into a diagnostic computer when it is first started.
Although with 2 snapped injectors, I am surprised it runs at all  My D3 Build Thread
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| 13th Dec 2012 7:58 am |
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d3mad
Member Since: 11 Oct 2012
Location: Tenbury Wells
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I had this happen twice on a cold morning but has been fine on other even colder mornings.
Found if I switched engine off and restarted it was fine! If it gets worse will look more into though. 2 x D3's (Twins)
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| 13th Dec 2012 8:15 am |
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bumph
Member Since: 14 Sep 2011
Location: teesside
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sorry i ment to snapped heater plugs!!! not injectors
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| 13th Dec 2012 9:52 am |
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