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D3 recovery points and rating?
Last time I explored taking part in an off-road event (SLROC) I was told I'd need to add two recovery point bolts front and back before my D3 would be allowed on the course. Is this always the case? For snatch recovery needs each had to be rated 6> tonnes. Seemed the recovery point on the front couldn't be trusted as its not 'rated'.
If these are really needed does anyone know where I add recovery points at the front? Doesn't seem to be anywhere obvious Thanks. Â
15th Jan 2012 2:43 pm
J@mes
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Never heard of anyone being told to add reovery points to the D3 before, it has perfectly acceptable and well proven recovery points on each end
I bet most of the vehicles which go off road couldn't stand 6 ton. The recovery point may be rated to it, but the rotten, knackered chassis they are fitted to would certainly give way!2014 D4 XS
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15th Jan 2012 2:45 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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The ones on the car are fine for recovery, it's old school approach to recovery points that hasn't gone past Deafner & Series stuff where a "recovery point" was only a tie down point. The ones on the D3 (front & rear) are well up to the job.
15th Jan 2012 2:46 pm
diskelly
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It did seem to throw the chap that I had a D3. Unfortunately he's quite influential in my local club and I didn't have the knowledge to argue my case. He said without a rating on the front recovery point the car would fail scrutineering.
15th Jan 2012 2:52 pm
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Progress is always slow, the car's only been out 7 years.
15th Jan 2012 2:56 pm
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The points are perfectly capable and have proven themselves on many occasions ...in fact ISTR this being an issue on a previous event where members of the club involved said that they were concerned they might damage the D3 using the recovery points ...not impressed when I told him that the back half of his Defender would detach itself before anything let go on the D3 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
15th Jan 2012 3:12 pm
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This is my D3 being "recovered" at Yerwell a few years ago. In reality the winch vehicle, and the D3 that was acting as anchor, were being pulled towards me. I was well and truely stuck. Also done loads of kinetic recoveries in the desert, all using the standard recovery points. The problem is where peeps are not used to D3s (and the odd RRS) being used offroad they assume they are the same as rusty old Deafners.
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15th Jan 2012 3:19 pm
leeds
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Re: D3 recovery points and rating?
diskelly wrote:
Last time I explored taking part in an off-road event (SLROC) I was told I'd need to add two recovery point bolts front and back before my D3 would be allowed on the course. Is this always the case? For snatch recovery needs each had to be rated 6> tonnes. Seemed the recovery point on the front couldn't be trusted as its not 'rated'.
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OK I will admit I do not know anything about D3 recovery points
So what does your local club scrutineer mean by recovery points being 'rated'?
Do they mean WLL or UTS?
Do they except genuine JATE rings as 'rated' recovery points? They were NOT designed as recovery points. They were designed for use as both tie down points and lifting of Land Rovers by helicopters. Remember that LR had to design the Lightweight to be air transportable as helicopters used to have much lower carrying capacity and they use FOUR JATE rings for lifting purposes
Do they except a 'NATO' hitch as a suitable recovery points?
Sorry the 'Nato' hitch was designed as a 360 degree towing pintle. Light weight towing pintle is rated at 4 tonnes, the medium at 5 tonnes
Are aftermarket bumpers with recovery eyes mounted in acceptable for recovery purposes? Bumpers made by ARB/Devon/Safari Equip etc? Have never seen a 'rated' figure for them
Rear recovery points be they Southdown, Safari Equip etc are not rated.
Most if not all steering guards with built in recovery eyes are not rated
The standard shackles most often used in the 4x4 leisure area are the WLL RATED at either 3.25 or 4.75 tonnes.
The most popular TOW strap used in the 4 x 4 market are rated at 2 tonnes WLL
So that local club would have to BAN the VAST majourity if not all equipment used by most of their club members if they applied 6 tonne 'rated' rule
Would I suggest that someone is talking out of their rear orifice?
15th Jan 2012 7:42 pm
diskelly
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Leeds, good points, thanks. Yes, they accept JATE rings; it's what I was told to fit before they realised it was a D3 not a D2 So far no one here has said they've needed additional recovery points on the D3 so I think I'll have another chat with them. To be fair its their club and their rules; they'll have the best interests of their members in mind and they'll be the ones who have to sort out an unrecoverable vehicle on the course or the consequences of a snapped tow wire flailing at their stewards. I'll try a bit of friendly persuasion ..
15th Jan 2012 7:57 pm
leeds
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I have just spoken to a friend of mine who sets out and is a scruntineer at major winch challenge events. According to him there is no rating in the rule book for rating of a recovery point. However there has to be 'suitable recovery points' This is wide open to individual interpretation. What one person will accept as a suitable recovery point another may not.
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15th Jan 2012 8:23 pm
diskelly
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Right, so its down to the person on the spot. I'll ask around then until I find somewhere that'll let me have a little play in my LR3 - without butchering it to fit JATE rings!
15th Jan 2012 8:51 pm
M30LRO
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Slroc-recovery points!!
It's my D3 G4 on there website it will probably Wayne you had the discussion with he said the same about my G4 D3 which my argument was if Landrover added no more recovery points other than the winch surely the car was up to it!!!
I have plenty of off road experience in all Landrover products and thought they really were over the top re recovery points on late Landrovers
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15th Jan 2012 9:02 pm
lespes
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Does the car have recovery points?
Yes, the hooks front and rear under plastic covers, removed with a coin (see manual) are rated to the vehicle's GCM (Gross Combination Mass, GVM + GTM, so over 6000kg) and are used for recovery.
There was a promo photo when first released of several D3's suspended by the recovery points hanging from a craneD4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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15th Jan 2012 10:20 pm
lespes
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Here we are
Photographic proof, well video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fufTUpi3FUD4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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15th Jan 2012 10:28 pm
leeds
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Sorry lespes but that video proves absolutely NOTHING about the D3 recovery points.
Yes the chassis can take 10 tonnes, yes it may have one of the strongest chassis in the market place.
This discussion is about recovery points on the D3 which I will openly admit I know nothing about.
However I have done the odd tensile test and am fully aware how you can present data.
Yes that video is impressive.
However at about 30 seconds there is a shot of the underside of the D3 and you will see a massive red attachment device at both ends of the D3 chassis.
So that video proves nothing about the D3 recovery points
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Also done loads of kinetic recoveries in the desert, all using the standard recovery points. 
