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Panoramix
 


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le dimensioni del vano non le ricordo ma di batterie che ci stanno e hanno le caratteristiche della originale ce ne sono.

Cerca per esempio e riferimento dimensioni la bosch S5 da 100 Ah Thumbs Up
 

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Si ma non riesco a trovare una batteria, che abbia una corrente di spunto eguale o superiore (con le stesse dimensioni) a quella originale che è: 95 ah e 950 amps di spunto a freddo
  
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Panoramix
 


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io e altri montiamo la S5 che ti ho indicato prima, molti in UK montano la Exide 017 oppure la Varta.

Queste 3 vanno tutte bene Thumbs Up
 

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Quando un elettrauto non LR mi cambiò la batteria originale diversi anni fa con una "generica" mi ricordo che mi modificò il vano batteria dicendo che quella nuova non entrava.
Non ricordi i termini della modifica, ricordo solo che era da 100 amp

solo ricordi vaghi..
  
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Genuine, Varta, Bosch o Exide?

A prescindere dal prezzo, quale si avvicina, per prestazioni, a quella originale?
Quali sono le vostre esperienze?
  
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Exide 1000 116€ spedita sulla baia
 - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT 
 
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Panoramix
 


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A me la prima S5 è durata poco meno di tre anni, decisamente sotto le aspettative.
Ora ne sto provando una, sempre S5, specifica per veicoli Start & Stop.

Questo perchè il kilometraggio quotidiano è sotto i 20 km e la batteria ha poco tempo per ricaricarsi.
Per il momento è presto per dirti come va.

Quoto comunque Sidestick, prova l'Exide Thumbs Up
 

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Post #166951018th Jun 2016 7:17 pm
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Grazie ragazzi.

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Innanzitutto volevo ringraziarvi perchè siete sempre pronti ed esaustivi in tutti i post che pubblico quando ho problemi; replicate senza alcuna retorica o saccenza (come spesso accade in altri forum).
Ho interpellato un rivenditore onesto e preparato Var ta al quale ho spiegato ciò che avevo sopra esposto, cioè che la batteria che ho attualmente, Land genuine, è una 95 / 950.
Lui, correttamente, mi ha spiegato che non aveva eguali modelli Varta che corrispondessero al primo impianto per dimensioni e mi ha mostrato il modello Sylver Dyn Bl da 95 / 850 AGM per start and stop.
Abbiamo misurato lo spunto a freddo della batteria nuova che mi ha mostrato ed era di 1110.
Mi ha narrato inoltre l'aneddoto di un possessore di Disco3 che, avendo montato una batteria sottodimensionata, ha avuto grosso problemi al cambio automatico.
Mi ha quindi, correttamente, consigliato di andare in land per acquistare eventualmente la batteria esatta per
la vettura.
Ho fatto in giro su internet e mi è parso di capire che la Land, per i Disco 3 / 4 fornisca ora le EXIDE da 90 / 850 in agm.
E' verosimile che dal 2009 le tecnologie si siano evolute e la resa della batteria, nonostante le caratteristiche inferiori, siano sufficienti o superiori.
Ne concludo che la EA1000 Exide Premium 017 è la più idonea sia per le caratteristiche che per le qualità del prodotto.
Queste sono le mie conclusioni.
P.S. ho chiamato la land: 330, scontato 290, genuine land.

Allego foto.

Dite la Vostra,
Saluti.




  
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Quote:
....ho chiamato la land: 330, scontato 290, genuine land.


Shocked Shocked Shocked

MAMMA CHE PREZZI Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

Quote:
.... E' verosimile che dal 2009 le tecnologie si siano evolute e la resa della batteria....


.... SI, .... ma mi pare anche i PREZZI Shocked Shocked Shocked

SONO "SOLO" TRIPLICATI ...... (dite la vostra) = "damose 'na regolata"

.... sono io che vivo in un'altra dimensione, o stiamo dando i numeri

.... sarà anche una EXIDE (brandardizzata LR) ma 290 € a sembrano TANTINI ... o mi stò sbagliando io (e devo scendere d'albero su cui stò vivendo Laughing Laughing Laughing )
  
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EXIDE ea1000 https://www.amazon.it/Exide-Premium-Superi...B00OWZLGZC

o meglio ancora EXIDE EK1050

http://www.ebay.it/itm/BATTERIA-AUTO-EXIDE...1781277979
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Sidestick
 


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Per un D3 io rimarrei sulla Exide 1000, la 1050 è AGM e quindi non adatta al D3 ma al D4 sul quale si può impostare il tipo di batteria Wink
 - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT 
 
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dgardel
 


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Sul D3 no c'è l'elettronica di controllo in corrente del D4 (per cui devi impostare il tipo di batteria = corrente di ricarica), quindi non vedo quale è il problema montarla se non "sfruttare" di più l'alternatore (AGM = corrente di carica maggiore).

Io la monto da anni sul Defender e mi trovo moooolto bene
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Sul D3 il controllo di carica c'è ma è differente da quello del D4 (che invece è configurabile), questo fa si che la batteria AGM non possa venir caricata a tensione maggiore come richiesto vanificando il guadagno in termini di carica residua,
certo si può montare, ma non verrebbe ricaricata come richiesto finendo per essere inferiore come prestazioni ad una batteria tradizionale Neutral
 - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT 
 
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dgardel
 


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Ah! pensavo fosse "senza" controllo in corrente.

In tal caso hai ragione tu, meglio una batteria "normale"
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Sidestick
 


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Questo ovviamente solo per il D3:

The generator is located at the front RH side of the engine, in front of the RH cylinder head. The generator has an output of 150 Amps and is manufactured by Denso. A six-ribbed polyvee belt drives the generator pulley, which in turn is driven from the engine crankshaft pulley.
The generator comprises a stator, a rotor, a rectifier pack and a regulator. There is a three-pin connector (C0053) on the generator:
Pin 1 – Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) signal from the generator to the Engine Control Module (ECM) (generator monitoring)
Pin 2 – PWM signal from the ECM to the generator (generator control)
Pin 3 – Voltage reference line to the battery via the Battery Junction Box (BJB).
The generator is connected to ground via its mountings.
The rotor comprises a field winding, wound around an iron core and mounted on a shaft. The iron core has extensions at each end, which form North and South poles as current flows through the field winding. The rotor is located inside the stator and is mounted on bearings for smooth running and to support the rotor due to the high side loading applied by the drive belt tension.
The stator has three sets of coils made from copper wire. The three coil windings are connected in a 'star' connection, where one end of the winding is connected to the other two windings. The output current is supplied from the opposite end of each winding. Rotation of the rotor causes ac current to be produced in the coils.
The rectifier converts the ac current produced in the stator coils into dc (rectified) current required by the vehicle electrical system. The rectifier comprises semi-conductor diodes mounted on a heatsink to dissipate heat. An equal number of the diodes are on the negative and positive side, with an additional diode in the regulator to control the feedback through the battery voltage signal line. The rectifier also prevents current flow from the battery to the generator when the output voltage is less than the battery voltage.
The 'smart' regulator controls the output voltage from the generator to protect the battery; at low temperatures battery charge acceptance is very poor so the voltage needs to be high to maximise any re-chargeability, but at high temperatures the charge voltage must be restricted to prevent excessive gassing at the battery with consequent water loss. The EMS, which controls the regulator, will calculate the voltage set point required for the ensuing conditions. The 'traditional' regulator controls voltage against generator temperature, which means the battery temperature will lag a long way behind so there will be significant periods of operation when battery charging is compromised. With this system, the EMS can set the voltage by inferring the battery temperature from information received from it's various sensors, hence voltage will follow the battery's needs a lot more accurately.
The regulator has transistors, which rapidly switch on and off to regulate the voltage output according to the voltage sensed internally. The regulator also provides a PWM signal output to the ECM, which uses the signal to adjust the idle speed under varying electrical loads.
Initially, the ignition switch supply provides an excitation current to the rotor at low generator speeds via brushes, which contact slip rings at the end of the rotor shaft. As the generator speed increases the generator becomes self-exciting.
The charge warning lamp function is transmitted to the EMS and then on to the Controller Area Network (CAN) bus to the instrument pack.
LOAD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
The load management system comprises software resident in the Automatic Temperature Control Module (ATCM). For additional information, refer to Control Components
Its purpose is to protect battery state-of-charge during abnormal usage of the vehicle. The system will request the Media Orientated System Transport (MOST) ring and the air suspension to go into 'power save' mode, and will modulate features such as seat heating and screen heating to prevent the battery being dragged down to a point where the car becomes unoperational. A 'WARNING - LOW BATTERY' message will be displayed in the message centre.
 - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT 
 
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