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TwelveSticks
Member Since: 16 Jan 2010
Location: Dublin
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Personally, I've been waiting until you guys were happy with your installations and had ironed out all the problems  2001 D2 GS (I must be mad!)
2005 D3 S 10-12 (gone and missed)
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Preston Lancashire
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Even VA is quiet now......... 
Flack
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| 27th Jan 2011 10:13 pm |
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Ceekay
Member Since: 17 May 2009
Location: Bury
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Yeah right!
Still trying different combinations to try and get the best heat in the cabin area. To many combinations. My new 1 is a double burn of the heater so gsm the fbh with no fans for 30 mins then a few mins later gsm it again with the fans running? Will let you know unless someones tried that 1?
Strange thing is im sure my fbh runs for alot longer than 30mins when its on auto using the d3's software?
Still got a few probs with my fbh firing all the time and if it fails then the fan still kicks and blows cold air and wastes batt power for nothing. Spoke to dealer today as it is booked in for mot and he said they very rarely have any probs with customers fbh??? Theres a new 1 on me!
They have a fab deal on mots though at mo. £29 for mot wash valet and inspection! Great value if nothing else is found to be broken.
Anyway have fun playin guys and let us know if you have found a good way of getting the temp up?
Cheers Ceekay
Cheers Ceekay D4 HSE Lux MY16 Club Waitomo
D3 HSE MY06 missing her still…
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| 28th Jan 2011 12:03 am |
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Ceekay
Member Since: 17 May 2009
Location: Bury
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Think VA's auto electrician must of found out what he calls him and took him for a trip on them their hills!  D4 HSE Lux MY16 Club Waitomo
D3 HSE MY06 missing her still…
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| 28th Jan 2011 12:06 am |
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Preston Lancashire
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Ceekay
When the FBH is running under the cars system it will run until its told to shut down, if the weather is so cold it might run all the time your driving.
Running the FBH is not the issue under the GSM, when we first did the old install of the FBH operated by phone there was a lot of posts that said a max running time of (45 mins i think), due to the fuel res tank being used up and this could cause problems for the system after startup.
If you check back some posts to Dickdastardly posts he says he runs the FBH for 60mins with no problems other's can only get 20 mins running time, its a bit of a lottery realy.
Would be nice though if we could adjust the running time..
Flack . 
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| 28th Jan 2011 1:17 am |
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Ceekay
Member Since: 17 May 2009
Location: Bury
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Flack
Appreciate what your saying but i thought someone had said the time limit had been preset in the fbh and couldnt be changed? I was just thinking that if the car can control the amount of time that the fbh runs for then it cant be a permanent preset feature in the heater and therefore must surely be a software adjustment?
Would be great if we could make it run longer.
Hows it going with the fans running off the aux batt anyway. Need to purchase the dual batt system for mine. I take it you would recommend a traxide shipped from austrailia?
Cheers Ceekay D4 HSE Lux MY16 Club Waitomo
D3 HSE MY06 missing her still…
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| 28th Jan 2011 1:48 am |
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berndv
Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
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I think the one that made us to believe there is a maximum time build into the fbh is Daniel from Danhag.
By now I have inquiered about it with several sources but no one confirms this for sure. Even the Guys at Webasto Nehterlands only said that, it could be that there is a maximum build in, but they were defenitely not convinced about it.
As you guys have found out, even if there is, the D3 knows how to override it.
Is there anyone here who has this 30 minute limit and who also has the oval Webasto Timer. It would be interesting to know if the timer has the same issue with the maximum time.
Otherwise it would be a possibility to get an oval timer and combine it with the Danhag into one system.
I had the timer but sold it before installing when the danhag group buy came along 
Bernd
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| 28th Jan 2011 9:20 am |
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berndv
Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Gorinchem
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Flack wrote:Yes it was the black wire to the green & white wire, this wire closes the car vent so it stops the fans drawing in cold air, if you sit in your car and have your ignition on and touch the black wire to the green & white wire you can just here a thump as the motors shut the vent to outside.
I hear such a thumb when I press the air circulation button on the panel but I don't hear one when the danhag kicks in. I don't quit understand your test with "the ignition on" as the Danhag is supposed to work without the ignition on or do you mean the Danhag's ignition for the fbh?
Where does this black wire go to, to the GSM unit or the blower control unit? I might be taking it all apart again to see if there is a failure inside the loom. Should there be a 12v plus on the black wire when switched on?
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| 28th Jan 2011 9:38 am |
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Preston Lancashire
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berndv wrote:Flack wrote:Yes it was the black wire to the green & white wire, this wire closes the car vent so it stops the fans drawing in cold air, if you sit in your car and have your ignition on and touch the black wire to the green & white wire you can just here a thump as the motors shut the vent to outside.
I here such a thumb when I press the air circulation button on the panel but I don't here one when the danhag kicks in. I don't quit understand your test with "the ignition on" as the Danhag is supposed to work without the ignition on or do you mean the Danhag's ignition for the fbh?
I should have said the 12 volt feed from the HVAC panel.
Where does this black wire go to, to the GSM unit or the blower control unit? I might be taking it all apart again to see if there is a failure inside the loom. Should there be a 12v plus on the black wire when switched on?
Not sure bud I have never traced it back in the loom.
I still have my oval timer from my first install maybe do a test with it to see if that will give us a longer burn.??
Flack
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| 28th Jan 2011 6:37 pm |
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arhrrs
Member Since: 08 Dec 2010
Location: west midlands
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The black wire comes from the fan control plug. (I think)
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| 28th Jan 2011 7:21 pm |
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Preston Lancashire
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Ceekay
Yes I would go the Traxide route very easy to install and a proven track record from the guys on here, and Support is good from drivesafe.....
arhrrs wrote:The black wire comes from the fan control plug. (I think)
Yes bud it does just had a look...
Flack
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| 28th Jan 2011 8:42 pm |
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berndv
Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Gorinchem
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I'll test the black wire this weekend to see if it gets any power. Also I will listen for a thumb when i put the power lead from the HVAC to the white/green. Something must be wrong somewhere.
Ceekay, I agree with Flack about the traxide. I have it installed as well and I am very happy about it.
If ever the Danhag is going to work as it should, I am going to hook it up to the aux battery as well.
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| 28th Jan 2011 9:58 pm |
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dick dastardly
Member Since: 29 May 2007
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never had a burn longer than 60 mins despite setting for 90 minutes. repeat burn much shorter (already hot). now that weather is a bit warmer burn time seems to have decreased to 45 mins. There's one wheel on my wagon, but i'm still rollin' along, it's the cherokee, they're after me, but I'm singing a happy song
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| 29th Jan 2011 12:50 am |
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Preston Lancashire
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dick dastardly wrote:never had a burn longer than 60 mins despite setting for 90 minutes. repeat burn much shorter (already hot). now that weather is a bit warmer burn time seems to have decreased to 45 mins.
But you run yours off the oval timer don't you bud...and not on the WBUS..
Flack 
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| 29th Jan 2011 1:16 am |
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Preston Lancashire
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berndv / Ceekay
Been out doing some testing this morning, my car was not stone cold had a run early morning and left to stand for about two hours.
Temp outside is hovering around freezing. I also shut down my car and left the HVAC in Auto mode.
Run the FBH from the manual start switch and my fans where set to come on with 5 mins delay, I was sat in the car the whole time during which I kept taking temp readings from the windscreen vents and the temp around the pedals.
After running for about ten mins the windscreen vent did not have much of an air flow but the temp was 26 c, I did notice more airflow at the bottom vent around the pedals.
I thought it could do with more fan speed, but was nervous about increasing the fans because normally they seem to have an effect on the output temp.
Anyway I decided to increase the fan speed and see if it made any difference to the temp of the airflow coming out of the vents.
To my surprise it made no difference at all to the actual temp it did not cool it down any, the longer the FBH was running the hotter it still got.
After having initially having my fan speed set to a moderate speed I have now set it to quite a lot higher and it does not bother the output temp after the FBH shut down on a 30 min run the windscreen vent temp was reading 35c the temp around the pedals was 26.5c and the inside temp of the car was 21.5c.
So to recap I quoted in one of my earlier posts about not having the fan running to fast because it would have a cooling effect on the heat output, I was wrong it does not make any difference.
So you guys need to speed up the fans if you want some airflow and to make the car warmer inside.
It seems like the Danhag system blows more air to the bottom vents than the windscreen vents which to me is slightly wrong it would have been better 60 - 40 split . It must be how the IPCU configures the HVAC, so not much we can do about it I think.
But with my adjustments to my system the car seems much warmer and I am a lot happier with the fan output now.
Just need a cold night now and run from stone cold and then do a check to see how warm the car is and see if the windscreen is clear from frost.
It was -5 here last night and with my old fan settings still programmed in the GSM I run it this morning from my phone and after the 30 min run there where two clear patches of frost on the windscreen directly above the air vents, so now with increased fan speed it should be a lot better, but we will see... watch this space 
Flack
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| 29th Jan 2011 3:25 pm |
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