Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
Posts: 20836
sarumlight wrote:
Wonder how much the 7.6 hours would be reduced if it was done at the same time as the timing belt?
Its approx 2 1/2 hours to change the front belt, so on the face of it, its not that straightforward, assuming it is 7.6 hours, and going by Land Rover's repair times
Member Since: 23 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 10564
stapldm wrote:
Flack wrote:
This is what it should look like but to me its not man enough for the job...
Flack, that looks to me like the 'failing' part is in fact separate to the block and bolted to it. I'm assuming the darker colour is the block and the lighter colour is a tin foil cast alloy separate assembly bolted on by the bolts visible in your photo...in which case if we had a replacement plate from an 09MY (assuming they're better) could we replace this nightmare before it breaks?
An interested MY07er...
That is what I asked above, looks like a casting item that could be changed but not sure what damage timing belt slip/failure would have caused.MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
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Well as you can't "maintain" a casting and the part has undergone a number of revisions in quick succession, I suspect a date in court would prove favourable to any claimants. If said claimant submitted the component for expert metallurgical analysis it might strengthen the case and shed some light on the failure.I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
1st Jun 2012 8:54 am
Gareth Site Moderator
Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 26770
Ok, for easy comparison, here are the old version (from Flack) and the new one side by side.
There does seem to be some significant extra reinforcing webbing between the casting fixing holes, and the boss that mounts the tensioner.
Click image to enlarge
1st Jun 2012 8:59 am
Gareth Site Moderator
Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 26770
I think what we need to do here is get some evidence together.
It would help if anyone who is changing a timing belt can post a picture of the tensioner mounting, stating year of vehicle. We can then try to pin point the 'at risk' build periods.
It seems that the very early vehicles are ok, the mid age vehicles are failing, the newer vehicles are ok.
1st Jun 2012 9:06 am
sean 471
Member Since: 26 Apr 2011
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 2990
as said in previous post i have no idea what the previuos 07 onward plates look like (theLR002465, LR007131, LR007798 )compared to the latest version LR013487
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new plate for 07 onwards is
LR013487 £47.04 forum priceTLO has left the building.......
I no longer work for a Landrover Dealer
My little chilli sauce business http://www.thechillees.co.uk
if you would like to order anything just give me a shout
1st Jun 2012 9:29 am
sarumlight
Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Off the Plain
Posts: 1592
Wow - what a difference around the bracket mount
Wonder if there was a change in the design after 06 that made this part weaker, or if the load on the belt changed (Do EU IV engines have a higher fuel pressure?) that caused more repeating strain that leads to a fatigue failure?
The big VAG diesel engines have a hydraulic damper on the tensioner to absorb the vibration from driving the fuel pump. Think they also have non-uniform spacing on the pulley teeth as the belt stretches more at the points where it's driving the pump. It's worked for me for the last quarter-of-a-million miles,..
Think the timing belt replacement on the 07 TDV6 just got a lot more expensive
1st Jun 2012 9:33 am
sean 471
Member Since: 26 Apr 2011
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 2990
Sounds a bit of no brainer to fit really. Does anybody know if this is a big job to change. Or change during the cam belt change.
1st Jun 2012 9:36 am
Mr Kington
Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Scottish Borders
Posts: 1552
Mine is a 55 plate and just bought £100 quids worth of extras from TLO to be replaced next week at the cam belt change with Stratstone Slough so not overly keen to have to buy more parts in-case they fail at a later stage. (great price from TLO to be fair) Any suggestions ? are the 55 plates seemingly ok so just leave it as is ?
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