Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
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DiscoStu wrote:
Flack wrote:
LR have definitely changed this oil pump plate because of the the failings on the 07 model's
Really? Where did you find that out?
And is ~ 15 failures from over 20,000 members here an unacceptable rate?
The way I see it is that's 15 vehicles from on here !
How many others have failed that are not on here ?
Mines in the VIN range and has not done the mileage to warrant a 105K belt change, the ones that have been changed have they had the bolts changed for the superceded part and had they had the oil pan changed would they still have gone pop ?
I looked at the 9a oil pan with the view that it had been made with the intention that it was to replace the hollowed out earlier one ?
Discostu, do you know differently ? What is your interpretation of the different oil pump pan and the 3 times superceded tensioner bolt ?Only dead fish go with the Flow !
2nd Jun 2012 1:03 pm
DiscoStu
Member Since: 09 Apr 2006
Location: London
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I don't 'know', but parts like that can be changed for many reasons - request from customer (eg Peugeot might request a modification and Ford would only want one type of cover, so would supply to all users), change of supplier of the part, spec of the engine (eu4 vs eu5), cost (the most common reason!), or because of an issue. To say it was definitely changed for this specific issue is a guess - possible, but not definite.
15/20000 is a fairly small percentage, and is likely to be a larger representation than the true figure, as forum's attract people with issues...Disco 5 HSE Lux
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2nd Jun 2012 1:35 pm
J@mes
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Do all those 20K people post, and do all those 20K people own 07/08 models falling within the suspected VIN range? Or is it more likely that 10% of them post, and 20% of them own 07 models.
so, 20K x 10% = 2000, 2000x20% (car sold over 5ish years) = 400.
Is 15 in 400 a fair amount to have EXACTLY the same catastrophic failure?
I'd say so, yes.
I made all that up by the way 2014 D4 XS
2005 D3 SE - Gone
2nd Jun 2012 2:07 pm
chalky
Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
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Stu, agreed could be for any of the reasons you state, and as an end user "me" I will try to make a square peg fit a round hole if it will add a bit of gravitas to the subject, so if mine fails I will try and understand all the variables but ultimately the reasons why it was superseded was because the part had multiple failures ?
J@mes, I thought about the percentage being in the VIN range ? I didn't apply much thinking to it but assume it will be a lot less than 20K !
Can we have a poll ?Only dead fish go with the Flow !
2nd Jun 2012 2:15 pm
DaveT
Member Since: 01 Aug 2005
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2576
I'd say that one failure of that type was unacceptable, never mind 15.
The design of the part just looks so obviously 'wrong' after seeing the failures
(20:20 hindsight from a non engineer)Long succession of Disco's since 2001...
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2nd Jun 2012 2:51 pm
DiscoStu
Member Since: 09 Apr 2006
Location: London
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Still presuming this is the cause, and not a result, of course
FYI, found this clip on You Tube which is perhaps yet another 07 plate D3 with what looks like an identical 'break' (see close up at about at 1 minute mark):
Rimini Red, Warn PowerPlant, looks like a MUD plate... .. anyone else thinking that's the Red Pearl? The End
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2nd Jun 2012 7:54 pm
stapldm
Member Since: 11 Sep 2006
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DiscoStu wrote:
And is ~ 15 failures from over 20,000 members here an unacceptable rate?
It's borderline as you state it TBH, higher than you'd like from a luxury mark but probably acceptable to the beancounters.
The real issue is that the motors with the weak plate are still out there, so the phrase really should be "15 failures so far and counting"Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
2nd Jun 2012 8:32 pm
crews control
Member Since: 18 Mar 2007
Location: Dorset
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I wonder how many of the 20,000 members here have 2007's? My money is on less than 100... Bet it's not many as I can only find a total of 25,543 D3's that were registered in the UK that year in total!
It's a shame we can't list members here by vehicle type - it would prove useful for cases like this.
2nd Jun 2012 9:31 pm
stapldm
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DiscoStu wrote:
In the meantime, does anyone want an engine?
Ooooh, what gent, in the circumstances, yes please!!! Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
2nd Jun 2012 10:03 pm
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That video is great, exactly the same break and probably exactly the same damage to mine....Bodsys Brake Bible
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Where did you find that out?
up by the way 
from a non engineer)
