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Discovery343
Member Since: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Hobart Tasmania Australia
Posts: 55
  
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| Instrument cluster, brush bar, cruise control & tyres |
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Following my previous issues with my trip computer, brush bar and cruise control, I contacted LR Australia to air my displeasure. It seems now the only way to get my trip computer to read in kilometers is to replace the whole instrument cluster! That, of course, is on back-order. They cannot then replicate my speedo readings so my car will have travelled 0 kilometers! A nice Arfur Daley move! As to the cruise control repairs - who knows? The firewall and security settings at "the customer care" email address are so tight that you cannot attach photos of problem areas and have to paste photos onto a Word document. I am still awaiting some help on that useless and dangerous factory "brush bar". Slashed another Cooper ST sidewall (now #5) on a rocky track a couple of weekends back but Cooper now seem to be taking an interest in my dilemma. Thank goodness the vehicle is so magnificent in the bush - unbelievable! 05 Discovery 3 SE TDV6 Chawton White with roof rails, driving lights, steel side protection rails. Rego: DISCO3
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 12th May 2006 6:23 pm |
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espri
Member Since: 07 Nov 2005
Location: Tyrol, Austria
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On p.83 of the Owner's Handbook it explains 'Selecting Settings Option' and one of these is 'Trip Distance Units' with the options 'Miles/Km'. It is not clear to me whether this is for the odometer in the speedometer or only for the reading in the Message Centre. Strangely, in the (English) handbook, the picture of the odometer on p.96 shows km and the speedometer is calibrated for MPH and km/h. Do you Aussies have that too or did LRA think that was too complicated for you  ?
It seems, though, that you need the steering wheel with buttons to make selections. Even if you don't have that, I cannot imagine why they would have to replace the whole instrument cluster, if you only want the Trip Distance displayed on the odometer (maybe if you wanted the speed displayed in kms/hr). I would have expected that such a change would have been possible at a garage with appropriate computer test gear.
Does anyone know whether it is possible to access these settings if you don't have the buttons on the steering wheel?
Eric
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| 12th May 2006 9:45 pm |
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d3syd
Member Since: 04 May 2006
Location: Scamander, Tasmania, Australia
Posts: 168
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Discovery343
At the risk of making you repeat everything, what problem do you have with your cruise control? As for the trip computer reading in mph, I too would assume that changing it to kph should be a simple matter of setting. This after all I believe can be done on a D2 quite easily. Strange.
As for the brush bar, I've seen your pics 
BTW g'day from a fellow Tasmanian. '06 TDV6 SE AUTO BUCKINGHAM BLUE
'98 Volvo V70
'87 Mecedes 420 SEL
'08 BMW 135i Coupe Twin Turbo
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| 13th May 2006 1:52 am |
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Discovery343
Member Since: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Hobart Tasmania Australia
Posts: 55
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| Instrument cluster, brush bar, cruise control & tyres |
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The SE model sold into Australia does not have the option to change settings through the stalk. We have had it connected to the local LR service centre computer while communicating with the LR Australia centre. They could not fix it. Thus, a new instrument cluster. Apparently, there may be a repair disc available from LR in UK in two months time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will not wait for that. 05 Discovery 3 SE TDV6 Chawton White with roof rails, driving lights, steel side protection rails. Rego: DISCO3
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| 13th May 2006 1:53 am |
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Discovery343
Member Since: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Hobart Tasmania Australia
Posts: 55
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| Instrument cluster, brush bar, cruise control & tyres |
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The cruise control works intermittently. Most times when I start the cruise control will work until I hit the "-" to decrease speed. Then it dies and I have to restart the vehicle to get it to work again. This is not guaranteed to work every time either. 05 Discovery 3 SE TDV6 Chawton White with roof rails, driving lights, steel side protection rails. Rego: DISCO3
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| 13th May 2006 2:00 am |
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d3syd
Member Since: 04 May 2006
Location: Scamander, Tasmania, Australia
Posts: 168
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Right.
And has your trip computer displayed in mph from day one or did it decide to go imperial all of a sudden?
I guess the more complex something is the more things there are to go wrong, no matter how much money is thrown at it. Just look at the space shuttle. '06 TDV6 SE AUTO BUCKINGHAM BLUE
'98 Volvo V70
'87 Mecedes 420 SEL
'08 BMW 135i Coupe Twin Turbo
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| 13th May 2006 2:06 am |
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Discovery343
Member Since: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Hobart Tasmania Australia
Posts: 55
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| Instrument cluster, brush bar, cruise control & tyres |
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The display changed when I had a software upgrade to help with suspension problems and the cruise control! 05 Discovery 3 SE TDV6 Chawton White with roof rails, driving lights, steel side protection rails. Rego: DISCO3
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| 13th May 2006 2:57 am |
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Slimer
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Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Last Exit to Nowhere
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We (10forcash and me) have upgraded the two standard 8mm bolts that go through the bumper to hold the brush bar (or nudge bar as they call it in the UK) on to 10mm studs and nuts, the fixing is now more rigid. It's still deformable as it needs to be for air-bag compatabilty but won't knock off so easily if hit from below which is likely when off-roading, which is what I seem to remember happened with yours Discovery343 The End
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| 13th May 2006 3:14 am |
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Discovery343
Member Since: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Hobart Tasmania Australia
Posts: 55
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| Instrument cluster, brush bar, cruise control & tyres |
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I remember your comments about the 10mm bolts when I first posted my concerns. However, I do not trust the fact that 2.7 tonnes of vehicle will easily knock the bar up and forward when I'm in some of the places I go. It only has to dig in and disaster looms. No thanks! 05 Discovery 3 SE TDV6 Chawton White with roof rails, driving lights, steel side protection rails. Rego: DISCO3
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| 13th May 2006 4:36 am |
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Slimer
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Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Last Exit to Nowhere
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I suppose there has to be a compromise somewhere on a modern vehicle with air-bags etc, and accessories like nudge bars. Mine has had a few hard knocks and hasn't come off yet. The End
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| 13th May 2006 4:52 am |
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Vo Rogue
Member Since: 16 Jan 2006
Location: Melbourne
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| Re: Instrument cluster, brush bar, cruise control & tyre |
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Discovery343 wrote:The cruise control works intermittently. Most times when I start the cruise control will work until I hit the "-" to decrease speed. Then it dies and I have to restart the vehicle to get it to work again. This is not guaranteed to work every time either.
Ah this is interesting. This happened to me once so far - after being on very steep tracks in the bush and I had put it down to being confused as I had used the +/- buttons to adjust speed on some of the descents. Turned car off and on once and it cleared it. Perhaps there are more general gremlins involved.
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| 13th May 2006 5:12 am |
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Jamo
Member Since: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Esperance, Western Australia
Posts: 1170
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Sounds to me like there was probably some type of programming/hardware error in the instrument cluster that didn't rear it's ugly head until the software upgrade was done.
Computers are wonderful things aren't they!
D'you know, in the eighties, the French sent up one of their Ariane rockets and it blew up in mid flight. IT had two computers on boad, a main and a spare. The programming in the main computer had one of the variable ranges set to high. This resulted in some information being sent to a process that couldn't read such a high variable. It sent it to an 'exception handler' which is a process that sorts out the problem. This process was programmed to shut the computer down if such an error occured and switch over to the back-up computer. Problem was, the back-up coputer had exactly the same programming, so the exact same problem occured. One bad piece of programming resulted in a multi-million dollar rocket (carrying someones billions dollar satellite) blowing up in mid air! Have a nice day!
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| 13th May 2006 5:47 am |
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d3syd
Member Since: 04 May 2006
Location: Scamander, Tasmania, Australia
Posts: 168
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It goes to show that even with huge budgets and enormous manpower (NASA, ESA, etc), there will always be errors and bugs in complex systems. The problems when they reveal themselves usually seem trivial in hindsight, an you wonder how they were missed.
I guess the best way to iron them out is a long period of field testing, something that car makers can't afford to do on their own without our help.  '06 TDV6 SE AUTO BUCKINGHAM BLUE
'98 Volvo V70
'87 Mecedes 420 SEL
'08 BMW 135i Coupe Twin Turbo
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| 13th May 2006 6:28 am |
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DISCO444
Member Since: 02 Apr 2006
Location: Hobart
Posts: 16
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I've twice had a similar problem with my cruise control but had put it down to my stupidity. When changing a setting the cc would just cut out entirely and would not start again until the engine (and computer) had been shut down and restarted. 2006 Discovery SE Zambezi Silver
ARB bull bar, Warn winch, Light Force lights, Safari Snorkel, Dual battery, Uniden UHF, Barrett 2050 HF radio, LR fuel tank, Kaymar rear wheel carrier, Mickey Thompson MTZ's, Open Sky roof top tent.
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| 14th May 2006 6:14 am |
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Glymmer_Man
Member Since: 08 Mar 2006
Location: Sunny Downtown Sydney. I wish it were raining.
Posts: 319
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discovery343 wrote:The SE model sold into Australia does not have the option to change settings through the stalk.
My SE has the "i" button on the stalk. Works too???
I had a problem with my cruise once. I took it back to the dealer and they replaced............. I'll have to check my paperwork, and I'll reply again. 
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| 14th May 2006 10:24 pm |
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