fakesnake
Member Since: 30 Mar 2006
Location: Leicestershire
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I guess I need to practice  Richard
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camelrock
Member Since: 11 Oct 2008
Location: north yorkshire
Posts: 446
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I understand low/high changing for heavy loads etc but this is just an average caravan weighing little more than a 1 ton. My old 1981 Range Rover (low compression couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding) could set off better. I love the D3 but for a vehicle designed to tow this a bit of a  up.
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| 29th Jul 2009 10:26 pm |
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freebie2disco
Member Since: 01 Jan 2007
Location: wantage
Posts: 334
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Sorry dont agree. The 1st gear is fine for the car 95% of the time ie when not towing and for the other 5 % it has a low range which is slick and easy to use. If the 1st gear was set low enough for what you want then it would compromise it for the rest of the time. This is what most cars without a low range do they compromise. IMHO land rover didnt compromise by having a low set first gear because they had a whole other gear box to do the job properly.
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| 29th Jul 2009 10:44 pm |
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Ade
Member Since: 26 Nov 2008
Location: West Lothian
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I tow a horse box with 2 horses in that has a combined weight of 2.8ton (I think) and when starting on hills I always put it into low range, and then switch back to high range 2nd gear once on the level and have speed built up, that way you dont really notice any change
Even with that weight though, when pulling off on level tarmac it easy enough in normal high range an first, just a bit slow, but thats not to be expecthed considering the combinded weight 
When I first got my D3 and hand'nt read the manual though  I did try to hill start as normal and ended up stalling a couple of times, dont think the horses liked that 
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| 31st Jul 2009 2:46 pm |
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n1cktdv6
Member Since: 20 Mar 2007
Location: Warrington
Posts: 1161
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camelrock wrote:I understand low/high changing for heavy loads etc but this is just an average caravan weighing little more than a 1 ton. My old 1981 Range Rover (low compression couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding) could set off better. I love the D3 but for a vehicle designed to tow this a bit of a up.
If you think it's that bad, get it checked out - because a 1 tonne caravan shoudn't bother it in high range at all D4 HSE....Probably, but not quite decided yet.
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XC90 SE Lux
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| 31st Jul 2009 2:51 pm |
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Discofever
Member Since: 18 Dec 2008
Location: Norwich, Norfolk
Posts: 86
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Hmm interesting, the auto is very different - I tow 3 tons regularly. From a standing start on a hill, no probs, pulls away like a steam train, and to think I nearly bought a manual  2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE auto, Cairns Blue, Lamp Guards, LR Roof Bars - Just love it!
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| 31st Jul 2009 8:13 pm |
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ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4866
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Quote:I tow a horse box with 2 horses in that has a combined weight of 2.8ton
a 1.4 ton horse.... fook me.... 
yeh i know....but it was funny...
you auto lot don't know what you're missing......  one wife.......livid
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| 31st Jul 2009 11:12 pm |
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n1cktdv6
Member Since: 20 Mar 2007
Location: Warrington
Posts: 1161
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I only have one leg so it's not an option.............. D4 HSE....Probably, but not quite decided yet.
3.6 TDV8 Vogue
XC90 SE Lux
A8 Quattro TDi
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| 31st Jul 2009 11:24 pm |
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ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4866
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was wondering how long that would take...
step up and claim your prize nick.... one wife.......livid
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| 31st Jul 2009 11:26 pm |
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n1cktdv6
Member Since: 20 Mar 2007
Location: Warrington
Posts: 1161
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Gets worse....
Its my left leg .
OK......Sorry B4 anyone takes offense and on the basis I have met some of you in 'shorts' I have two legs  D4 HSE....Probably, but not quite decided yet.
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XC90 SE Lux
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| 31st Jul 2009 11:35 pm |
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ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4866
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nick... how's anyone going to take offence, it's not like you''re a met copper wearing a union jack badge........(assuming you read about that today)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...l?ITO=1490
 one wife.......livid
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| 31st Jul 2009 11:40 pm |
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MJ
Member Since: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 54
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About all my D3 ever does is tow - heavy loads (often illegal!) from 3 to 4 tonnes gross.
You just HAVE to start off in LOW. No matter what I always start off in low 2nd (whatever the load, hill etc - it's fine) and get moving well before switching up to High range. Quite often I'll go all the way up to 6th in low before I change up, to get things moving well. As several others have said, the change from Low to High is very slick and easy (better than a D2, which in itself wasn't too bad compared to something like an old Trooper - a real grind crash an bang!!!).
If you arn't doing this with some weight behind then frankly you are abusing the thing, and should expect it to be slow to pull off, and should also expect some outlay on a new clutch and quite possibly gearbox before very long. Of course an Auto may well pull away in High 1st, but with quite some slippage in the box, but still it's far from good practice IMO. Arctic Frost TDV6 5-seat
Terrain response
Climate control
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| 2nd Aug 2009 11:41 am |
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Discolaw
Member Since: 02 Dec 2006
Location: Burnley
Posts: 88
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why struggle away in High Range when you paid for Low Range, you'd complain if you didn't have it!
and the on the move change is easy, mind you I do miss the red and yellow topped levers...
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| 2nd Aug 2009 12:55 pm |
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ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4866
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as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, it is all written in the instruction manual too, it's not a f k up at all in my eyes,,,,
the things got 12 gears.....use em....  one wife.......livid
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| 2nd Aug 2009 3:04 pm |
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Martin
Site Admin and Owner
Member Since: 06 Nov 2004
Location: Hook Norton
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Part of the issue (and it affects all modern diesels) is the dual-mass flywheel.
These have a resonance at low engine speed (usually 500-900rpm), and so to prevent damage to the DMF components during pullaway the engine management will stall the engine rather than let you take the engine into the sub-idle region and shake the flywheel apart.
This is one contribution to why modern diesel engines can feel "gutless" at low rpm, it's to ensure that you use enough revs to keep clear of the DMF resonance.
The first LR this problem was really noticeable with was the Td5 (particularly in the Defender compared to the Tdi) as it was fitted with a DMF and the Tdi was not - the Td5 was criticised for poor pullaway performance with or without a load.
The best solution is to use the low range gears and save the clutch. Same goes for manoeuvring a trailer/caravan around, use low range. 06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
Any issues with the site let me know!
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| 2nd Aug 2009 3:48 pm |
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