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Redleicester
Member Since: 29 Feb 2008
Location: Worcs, UK
Posts: 69
 
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| HSE - V8 or remapped TDV6? |
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Gaaaaahhh page timed out and lost my last post.... damnation. Here we go again:
L322 Rangie Vogue V8 is up for sale, and I have had a couple of offers substantially above the risible trade-in offered by dealers. That would be those dealers that actually bothered to return phonecalls, call back when they said they would (if ever) or even bothered to acknowledge someone standing in front of them offering either a trade or straight cash purchase.... credit crunch? What credit crunch? Do these fools even want to sell cars?!
Anyway, looking at Autotrader, it would seem that somewhere between £15-20k would be plenty for an HSE of either petrol or diesel, sub 40k and from 55-plate to 06/07ish, both franchised, independent and private sales. I have no preference to which - our Rangie has done 25k in our care with no issues, and had no LR warranty.
Roughly what we're after (just in case anyone is selling something specific!) is:
D3 HSE
40k miles or less
Buckingham Blue, Cairns Blue or Grey
Light interior
Rear air-con and audio (am I right in thinking these were both standard in 55-06 cars?)
Preferably with tow bar / sidesteps / lamp guards / roof rails (unless any or all of these can be added cheaply - they were monstrously expensive on the Rangie...)
So the big question is which engine. I rather like my V8s, having two others on the drive already to annoy the Eco-Lentilist brigade, and having run the Rangie V8 have little worry about the fuel economy and cost. In fact, given that it would appear the consensus for a mixed tank in a TDV6 D3 is around 25mpg, and we get 20mpg out of the Rangie and the 14p difference between diesel/petrol around us, it would seem the economy "advantage" of the log-burner is rather more than cancelled out.
On top of that, every dealer both independent and franchised I have spoken to has insisted the V8 is the better engine, irrespective of whether they had one to sell or not - which lets face it, few do as the market clearly hates them. The car will be run as a hard-worked utility vehicle for ferrying kids and paraphernalia, work gubbins, tip runs etc, and will be run for a number of years, so depreciation doesn't matter much to me. In fact it worked in my favour as the V8s were depreciating vastly quicker than the diesel. However, that situation has now changed - it seems in the current climate, the diesel prices have caught up, so now the two cars are roughly the same price.
Now given that the general impression seems to be that the V8 is smoother, quieter and vastly quicker than the diesel, the choice would seem obvious. However, there are lots of people, particularly here, eulogising about the Torqtune / JE Engineering remaps on the diesel. So the question is, has anyone direct comparisons of the V8 versus remapped diesels? Is it that the remap merely brings the diesel in to line with the V8 performance wise, or does it noticeably leapfrog it...?
Any thoughts / suggestions / mild-mannered abuse welcome, and apologies for both the long post and for the questions that I'm sure you've heard a thousand times! I have done a search on the topics, hence my conclusions above, just wanted to consolidate it all into one new thread, complete with the poll if I've managed to get it to work properly!
Cheers. L322 FFRR V8 - Gawn
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 8th Jan 2009 11:43 am |
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CFB
Member Since: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posts: 6100
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I don't think you can really say one engine is better than the other, I have had both a V8 and TDV6 Disco 3, whilst there is no doubt that the V8 sounds fabulous and has more oomph at the top end compared to a standard TDV6 I still prefer the way the diesel delivers the power, the low down torque makes for a better driving experience in my opinion. With a nice remap the TD will be quicker and more flexible.
As for running costs, if you don't care about the mpg and are prepared to struggle with re-sale then a V8 still has that certain something.
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| 8th Jan 2009 12:00 pm |
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Bodsy
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Member Since: 06 Nov 2006
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It sounds as though youre not doing hugely high mileage anyway, so even less case to have a Diesel.
The V8 sound of the V6 diesel isn't quite there (although Chris Tyler's is pretty close 8) )
Mossy has the V8 petrol so is probably one of the few to be able to provide real 'feeling' on the V8 Petrol (there are others of course... although mostly in Dubai  ) The V8 usually seems to get 16-18MPG though.
Personally, I'd have to agree with your commenst aboiut the Diesel vs Petrol price and comparitive economy are virtually equalled out, so it's down to what's available in the market.
Prices have dropped dramatically, so if someone is offering you above the current odds for the Rangie, then close the deal on that & you'll be able to quickly source a replacement D3.
As for specs, 06HSE should be available to you (and still have some warranty!). Towbar can be on e-bay regularly or Nick (AKA The Large One) can supply all the parts at a decent forum discount price which I'm sure he will provide you in advance.
Same for the twin electrics. Very easy to fit yourself.
Sidesteps are less available, but they do come up from time to time
Lampguards are available
Roof rails (on HSE, you'll get the roof rails, but not the cross bars)
I think, if I could (can't as I do over 20k/year), then I'd choose the V8 8) 8)
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| 8th Jan 2009 12:07 pm |
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Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2684
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Driven both - fuel no issue then V8 Petrol every time. The way the V8 delivers the power and of course the sound track, suits me, but I am biased 8).
If they still made the V8 for the UK D3 would I have another? - Yes! Sadly it'll be FFRR next for me  unless the new 3L lives up to its PR, which I really, really hope it does 8) D3 HSE V8...
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| 8th Jan 2009 1:10 pm |
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Redleicester
Member Since: 29 Feb 2008
Location: Worcs, UK
Posts: 69
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Mossy wrote:Driven both - fuel no issue then V8 Petrol every time. The way the V8 delivers the power and of course the sound track, suits me, but I am biased 8).
If they still made the V8 for the UK D3 would I have another? - Yes! Sadly it'll be FFRR next for me unless the new 3L lives up to its PR, which I really, really hope it does 8)
Now that's just not on!  I adore our FFRR, it's only wifey's insistence on a "more practical" car that is forcing the change.... fabulous bit of kit and will be much missed. L322 FFRR V8 - Gawn
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| 8th Jan 2009 1:13 pm |
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Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2684
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Sorry   D3 HSE V8...
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| 8th Jan 2009 1:14 pm |
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Redleicester
Member Since: 29 Feb 2008
Location: Worcs, UK
Posts: 69
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Not at all, enjoy, they're fab. Given there will be capital outlay involved I have lobbied hard for a FFRR S/C as they're currently retailing for peanuts.... sadly my entreaties fell upon deaf ears...  L322 FFRR V8 - Gawn
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| 8th Jan 2009 1:24 pm |
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Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2684
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Well yes there is always the S/C and rumours of a 5L V8 S/C soon too 8).
Temptation? D3 HSE V8...
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| 8th Jan 2009 1:33 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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I'm a huge fan of V8 engines. I've owned a V8 powered car for the last 20 years, 6 of those years I had two V8 cars (with an average of 6000cc each  ).
BUT, having driven both, I agree with CFB, I prefer the torque & power delivery of a re-mapped TDV6 in the D3.
Provided you were prepared to keep it for a long time, as resale will be painful, I'm sure you'd be able to buy a V8 D3 for very little money.
Big petrol 4X4's are probably the hardest vehicles to sell at present.
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| 8th Jan 2009 2:22 pm |
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Clarabella
Member Since: 11 Oct 2007
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 130
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I voted for the V8 because after owning two TDV6's I purchased a mint low mileage 55 plate V8 HSE.
Why did I change to a V8? ........ Well my first D3 was a TDV6 with a manual gearbox which was very slow at pulling away from standstill and I used to be stuck at junctions with kids in the car frightened of pulling into fast moving traffic!
After advice from other D3 owners I then swaped the manual D3 for an Auto in order to gain quicker take offs. The auto was way better than the manual but still not quick enough.
Did think of a remap and tune but didn't fancy it.
For our family the V8 is perfect. It's fast at pulling away and dosn't have that turbo lag feeling of the TDV6. It's instant power with no hesistation. The gearbox is also more responsive than our old TDV6's. I think the V8 uses a different gearbox.
MPG is 17mpg with mixed driving, 21 on a long run.
We have had it LPG converted and get an equivilant mileage of around 28mpg, with no loss of performance. Tank range is 220 miles bang on.
One drawback is that the tank is in the place of the spare wheel so if you off road alot your attack angles will be reduced because the tank sit slightly lower than the spare wheel. Not a problem for us because we only go off road occasionally.
I also tow a race car on a triple axle Brian James trailer and the D3 V8 does a fine job of the pulling the weight.
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| 8th Jan 2009 4:16 pm |
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Roel
Member Since: 16 Aug 2008
Location: home
Posts: 1215
 
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I did go for a V8 as I wanted an tangier orange one and I have to admit I love the engine that much that I don't care about the fuel bills. I drove about 10000 miles in the last 3 months so it used some fuel.
I am thinking about LPG but don't know how yet. I want to keep a full size spare and as it is a G4 I don't want a sparewheel carrier at the back. Roel
1997 Camel Trophy Disco ex-P101JWK (traded it for a Britains 42101)
1984 90 TD5
2005 G4 Disco 3 BN55WPT
Also member of club MTR
and Club Faultmate
Interested in my 4x4 history see my website: www.mudmachine.webklik.nl
Sorry it's in Dutch and with google translator it gets funny.
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| 8th Jan 2009 5:09 pm |
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Craig S-L
Member Since: 16 Jul 2007
Location: Tring, Hertfordshire
Posts: 754
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Being a G4 the only real option is on the roof, as though you had a second spare
With the rack, lights and plaque I am sure it won't inrease the drag or noise, just be slightly top heavy on bends.
By the way if fuel cost is not a problem V8 everytime Craig
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| 8th Jan 2009 10:38 pm |
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CY
Member Since: 16 Aug 2005
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 4506
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| 8th Jan 2009 10:56 pm |
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Paul Lisseter
Member Since: 06 Feb 2006
Location: East Yorks
Posts: 16
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Have a 55 V8 HSE from new about 37000 miles now. Have had diesel manual on trial /loan for a couple of days to compare.
V8 sounds great and certainly has a lot more push than diesel. (One diesel on loan from dealer was remapped but still low miles) although at a steady speed it is difficult to tell difference (70 MPH all you can hear is wind noise anyway) V8 certainly has more pace and I think has bigger front discs which is very noticeable.
Driving v8 moderately carefully gives about 17 to 18 mpg generally and on long motorway journeys about 20 to 21 mpg. Two year ago went from East Yorks to plymouth ferry then a week in Spain with seven on board and V big top box and averaged 20.6 mpg over full 1076 miles. Quite pleased with that.
First set of tyres lasted 32,000 miles. Dealer says that petrol often does better on tyres than diesel by about 10,000 miles. Don't know if this is true or not.
I do tow a big trailer (Ifor WIlliams flat bed 14' 3.5 tonne) fully loaded sometimes and it does pull well but fully loaded drops fuel down to about 14 mpg on the flat.
One thing I have done is check fuel usage on different petrol. By using 3 full tanks of each in a row and keeping a spread sheet ( in the early days) I could not find any difference in mpg between cheapest supermarket 95 and any other higher pricd/ super fuel. This was a surprise because I know other people with high performance other cars find quite a difference!
Now I don't bother about the fuel so much - suppose I am used to it and it is coming down now a fair bit.
Driving auto diesel carefully gave about 30 mpg and each time I tried it I thought that I probably would not mind going diesel - until I got my V8 back! No doubt this is a very big vehicle and the V8 has remarcable performance. It really is amazing how you can throw this thing about and loose all sense of its massive size and weight.
I do tend to find the seats on all D3 not the most comfortable on many long journeys and if that were sorted out on a new D3 that would be more of an incentive to change than fuel use
The real point is that both the diesel and the petrol are very good. I find it very difficult to make the change to a diesel partly because if i sit in a new D3 it is very hard to tell it is much different to my 3 yr old V8. Certainly for 8 or 10 MPG difference alone I would not change. If the new diesel has a bit more performance then I might be tempted.
Shows that despite th niggle we all get the D3 is a very very good vehicle indeed. In fact for me the D3 V8HSE is the best vehicle ever built.
When the new diesel is out even if it is v.good I won't rush in to a change and when I stand in the dealers- If i get the diesel I will probably wish I had got the 5 litre petrol on the otherhand 50/50 chance if they have a 5 litre petrol I will probably buy that and wish I had the diesel. That's what happened the last time
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| 9th Jan 2009 3:18 pm |
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Roel
Member Since: 16 Aug 2008
Location: home
Posts: 1215
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Does somebody have a picture off a LPG tank below the D3?
Thanks, Roel
1997 Camel Trophy Disco ex-P101JWK (traded it for a Britains 42101)
1984 90 TD5
2005 G4 Disco 3 BN55WPT
Also member of club MTR
and Club Faultmate
Interested in my 4x4 history see my website: www.mudmachine.webklik.nl
Sorry it's in Dutch and with google translator it gets funny.
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