Member Since: 06 Nov 2004
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 18573
Vehicle Software 'Upgrade'
Classification
Software
Problem
WDS 13 Patch 1 provides Discovery 3 revised Instrument Pack Software - which changes the settings menu to remove the Pre Heater and the Pre Cooler functions.
It is intended that a future software release will remove the cabin pre-heat/pre-cool functions from all TDV6 vehicles with engine preheaters - altering the features of vehicles unilaterally & without owners' permission
Affected vehicles
All TDV6 with settings menu
Reported
Problem: 13th February 2006 by Pers1 in post 42159
Intention: 18th March 2005 by Ecosse in post 1564
Reported Cases
All vehicles
Occurs
Upgrade issue
Submitted to dealer network
Dealers aware
Dealer Response
Dealers concerned as to legality
Submitted to LR Customer Services
LR initiated issue
LR CS Response Reported
See above
Fix/Solution
None
Other Comments
Also means that even if you arrange for them not to update it at a service, if the battery goes flat and the software has to be reloaded you will automatically receive the latest version against your wishes.
Last edited by Martin on 13th Feb 2006 10:48 am. Edited 1 time in total
18th Mar 2005 7:34 pm
ymcgminer
Member Since: 22 May 2005
Location: North Yorkshire England
Posts: 4
Pre-Heater
Interestingly I was at the launch of the Range Rover Sport today. Under the bonnet of a 2.7TDV6 HSE there is no pre-heater. Could this be because LandRover cannot make the pre start/Pre-Heat work? The pre-heater on the Range Rover works OK according to one of the Dealer Technicians I was talking to!
25th May 2005 5:50 pm
steveho
Member Since: 07 Jan 2006
Location: lincoln
Posts: 74
pre-heaters come and go ,td4 freelanders got them,lost them and regained them.
they are an expensive piece of kit
21st Jan 2006 9:29 pm
BCP
Member Since: 25 May 2005
Location: East Scotland
Posts: 1471
Seems to really affect mpg. Is it needed in our temperate climate?
BP
22nd Jan 2006 12:58 pm
Martin Site Admin and Owner
Member Since: 06 Nov 2004
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 18573
Update - it's taken almost a year but WDS 13 Patch 1 provides Discovery 3 revised Instrument Pack Software - which does change the settings menu to remove the Pre Heater and the Pre Cooler functions.
It also adds an i with a arrow pointing to the right in the info centre!
Be aware of this if you like the pre-heat/cool settings hack, and don't want to lose it.
Information from Pers1 and Winger - originally posted here06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
Any issues with the site let me know!
13th Feb 2006 10:45 am
BrianX
Member Since: 11 Dec 2005
Location: Bolton UK - it may be 'grim up north' but at least you get gravy on yer' chips.
Posts: 217
Is there a list anywhere of what fixes are applied in different upgrades? I recently had my D3 into the workshop with about 10 minor faults (seat memory, mirror memory etc. etc.). The dealers 'seem' to have sorted the problem, and I obviously have not got pre-heat anymore (not that I knew what it was for anyway). I also have the little 'i>' icon now - what's that all about?'
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'05 Disco3 TDV6 - gone
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'08 Freelander 2 - gone
'98 P38 V8/LPG - gone
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'06 L322 V8 - current
20th Feb 2006 12:33 pm
DiscoMad
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 190
Just to clarify, WDS 13 can be applied in 'modules' this means that the heater can be fixed without installing the instrument pack (thereby keeping your pre-heater). I requested this of my garage and they were happy only to apply the needed modules.
R
19th Mar 2006 5:18 pm
simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
This is how mine was done... dealer must have decided not to change my instrument pack SW as I had insisted they fix my lack of Settings Menu (which they did once LR agreed that parts were missing and would be supplied FOC).
Heater is far better now and don't really miss not having the little 'i' in the Message Centre.
-s
19th Mar 2006 5:23 pm
DiscoMad
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 190
Good to hear that your heater is better - Mine seems not much better and now i get fumes in the car from the FBH !!
Apparently some have complained about fumes an WDS13 has a fix to close the recirc air vent to prevent this. I have NEVER had any fumes until after the upgrade.
I start the car, the heater is fairly quiet and after a few minutes (say 1 mile) the fan increases speed and then I can smell the fumes for a while (set to 23degC. 3degC outside temp).
I cant say I feel snug at that temp setting either !
Oh well back to the drawing board !
R
19th Mar 2006 5:32 pm
simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
mmm mine sits at 22 / 23 and full auto. comfy 90% of the time. Occasionally I get cool air from the vents when you would not expect it... but easily cured by a quick temp adjust. Also eventually put the temp down to 19 / 20 as it can get a tad warm... personal taste I think more than a heater problem.
Once car is running warm from a cold start the fans kick in and direction changes. I think this is for the FBH fumes issue. Closed until FBH has done its work.
Definitely different to before the SW upgrade.
-s
19th Mar 2006 11:24 pm
Gareth Site Moderator
Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 26779
Since the hevac system was updated on mine a couple of weeks ago, its been a revelation! much better heat.
Its been on 19 degrees all weekend in Salisbury, the o.a.t. was +1 degree yeaterday, and we were comfortable. Before the update it would have had to have been on 24 to warm the cabin, and it would have still blown cold from the face vents.
Now its warm from all vents. I would question whether your dealer has done the update properly.
19th Mar 2006 11:33 pm
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
I thought it only worked at 28 degrees, whenever the wife has been in the car it seems to automatically set itself at that level?DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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20th Mar 2006 4:34 pm
Swifty
Member Since: 13 Sep 2006
Location: here
Posts: 245
What Works, What Doesn't?
Hi Folks,
This is my first entry. I just bought a used TDV6 S, Jan 2005 on a 54 plate. Dealer (stratstone in Newport) told me that the pre-heater and dipping reverse mirrors worked and could be programmed. So I tried them and they didnt. Guess what, now they tell me (after I bought the car) that they can't and salesman - no longer with the company - got it wrong. Dealer says its just not an option on this spec of vehicle, but the menu is just there as standard?
I had a read through a number of threads, but can't seem to piece together a definitive answer?
I appreciate i could hand the vehicle back - possibly - but i just want to know what works, what can be made to work and what just will never work?
I really like the D3 - I've had Audi's for years which do what they say on the tin, but the Exmoor roads are not kind - so although with some trepidation, bought the D3 which i hoped would thrive in these conditions.
Also - whilst I am on, with the apparant lack of consistancy in dealers, any views on County Landrover in Barnstaple, or the Dealers in Taunton or Exeter - any of which could be my service dealer of choice
12th Oct 2006 9:25 pm
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50979
Sadly Swifty ...neither will work on an S 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
12th Oct 2006 9:26 pm
Winger Site Moderator
Member Since: 15 Feb 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 3428
Just to add to that, once you've had the enhancement programme work done, the pre-heat option on the settings menu will disappear. Before you have that done, though, you can use the radio trick to make it operate - would be useful on Exmoor in the winter....
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Dealer says its just not an option on this spec of vehicle, but the menu is just there as standard?
