Gorilla63
Member Since: 18 May 2019
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Looking to put a set on winter tyres on a second set of rims for my D3 when the weather starts changing. As winter tyres are a whole new ballgame for me, I would like some schooling on the best options. Firstly, are they even necessary if you have a half decent tyre on the vehicle, and if they are, what are the better choices.
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 4th Aug 2019 9:08 am |
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Gorilla63
Member Since: 18 May 2019
Location: Bewdley
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Many thanks for that.
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| 4th Aug 2019 9:33 am |
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Brian_DL13
Member Since: 25 Aug 2013
Location: Teesdale
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Winters are well worth it if you drive in an area where snow/heavy rain etc are frequent.
As to what is the best, the manufacturers come out with new compositions / treads on a regular basis, so the best option 3 years ago may not be now. Having said that I have Nokian SUV3 on and they are very good. Doubtless others will have some other brands they prefer 
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| 4th Aug 2019 10:46 am |
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riverblanche
Member Since: 31 Aug 2010
Location: retford'ish
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Hi,
the short answer is Yes there worth while if you have the option 
the longer answer is
Dont just think about snow, as said ^ wet weather and cold weather is where they work best
(ISTR its below 7 degrees) the tyre compound has more "Silica" and works best below this figure and has more grip, they also have more "sipes" the cuts in the tread blocks, which again gets more grip, each Edge of Each block is trying to find grip.
and think stopping, the more grip you have the quicker you stop
If you have the option of 2 sets of wheels then true Winters (snowflake symbol) are my first choice,
1 set of wheels then a cross climate/all season tyre or run winters all year round (they could wear quicker though!)
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Gone D3 HSE 2008
Another Porsche Cayenne 2022
Gone Porsche Cayenne 2020
Gone RRS HSE Dynamic 2016
Gone RRS HSE LUX 2011
Gone RRS HSE 2006
Gone D3 SE 2.7 2008
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| 4th Aug 2019 9:16 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
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This doesn’t apply in the UK but, yes, real winter tires are a really good idea. Here we have to swap winter tires (either traction or studded) for the winter months. That’s means 4-6 months of the year.
Another vote for Nokian tires (although mine are Hakkapeliitta 9 SUV with studs). They’re designed by people who live in snowy climates. Manufactured either in Finland or Russia.
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| 4th Aug 2019 9:23 pm |
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J.Prezes
Member Since: 10 May 2015
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Doesn’t matter for which car for winter always nokians. The funny thing is that in my parents’ MY11 RRS SC in every weather (very cold -> 20*c and also damp) when doing pedal to the matal accelerations winter nokians never loose tractrion and in comparison in 20*c dry unitoyal rainsports make TC light go crazy
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| 14th Aug 2019 2:29 pm |
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riverblanche
Member Since: 31 Aug 2010
Location: retford'ish
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Hi,
in my head now I can see your Mother? in a traffic light grandprix doing burn outs, may be even 4 wheel drifts on the school run 
of course its not going to be you when you drive their RRS is it
Transit! 2019
Gone D3 HSE 2008
Another Porsche Cayenne 2022
Gone Porsche Cayenne 2020
Gone RRS HSE Dynamic 2016
Gone RRS HSE LUX 2011
Gone RRS HSE 2006
Gone D3 SE 2.7 2008
gone D2 Td5 1999
I plan on living forever and so far so good !
Club DG Mclaren stuff
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| 14th Aug 2019 6:33 pm |
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CongoBoy
Member Since: 05 Mar 2019
Location: Wiltshire
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Disco_Mikey wrote:https://youtu.be/mfuE00qdhLA
I found the clip very informative.
Explains why, when the Japanese Grey Imports come into Africa on their Snow/Winter tyres, the tyres wear out extremely quickly on the hot African roads! 2008 D3 HSE Stornoway Grey (UK)
2008 D3 HSE Izmir Blue- South African Spec. (Zimbabwe)
2005 FFRR SC V8- Java Black
1995 D1 300 Tdi Blue - (Sourced from the UK, shipped to Namibia, driven by me to RD Congo, then Zambia, now retired in Zimbabwe)
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| 14th Aug 2019 6:43 pm |
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J.Prezes
Member Since: 10 May 2015
Location: usually at my Indy's shop
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Hi riverblanche
My mom admits that she likes to use all of those 500 ponies. Two weks ago when I drove it I made two quartershafts out of the rear halfshaft 
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| 14th Aug 2019 8:59 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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True winter tyres will give you broadly similar snow performance. Wet weather performance - so typical UK winter conditions - are where they vary.
For example: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-...e-Test.htm
Snow performance was similar but wet performance was notably different across the test. Better to buy the best wet braking tyre than the best show braking tyre, in my opinion. You'll be on wet tarmac much more than snow in the UK. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
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| 14th Aug 2019 9:59 pm |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
Location: Catherington, Hampshire.
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RRSTDV8 - many thanks very helpful.
That says to me that I should be looking for Pirelli Scorpion Winter or Goodyear UltraGrip Performance SUV Gen 1.
I'm on 19" wheels, so will start shopping around in the course of the next few days, subject to any further comments here.
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| 14th Aug 2019 11:44 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Nigel, if you venture off road, the sipes on cold weather/winter tyres have a tendency to quickly clog up with mud and turn into slicks. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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| 15th Aug 2019 12:58 am |
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Gorilla63
Member Since: 18 May 2019
Location: Bewdley
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Anyone here run on winter tyres? I've looked about now, and it seems that the Pirelli look like the best option?
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| 31st Aug 2019 9:08 am |
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Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
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As above ...I think it really depends what you do with your car... if it’s purely road stuff then as many sipes is best but as LT says if used in muddy conditions I.e. pulling a horse box or trailer across a field then I would go with a compromise....I used Bridgestone Blizzaks which had a bit of both....
On the daughters Freelander the Pirelli All Weathers are an excellent compromise as well!
The Goodyear MTR’s that I had on the G4 were truly terrifying in snow with little or no grip on compacted snow. I have replaced them with the Duratracs which are significantly better but still not a true winter tyre.
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| 31st Aug 2019 9:19 am |
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