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Agreed! As I was suggesting its essentially a maintenance issue?
12th Jun 2018 7:59 pm
waterbuoy
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But there are plenty of single owner, fully serviced (by JLR) examples of failure - if people are doing what the manufacturer says should be done, and the manufacturers agents/representatives are doing the work, then how can it be a maintenance issue? (Unless specified maintenance is inadequate of course)
IMHO in the case of the 2.7 it was a fundamental design flaw in the way the bearings are fitted. Don't know about the 3 litre though - have yet to have that one fail.Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
Previously:
TD5 Defender 110 CSW (230k miles)
300TDi Disco 1 (289k)
4 RR Classics (300-350k each, 2 manual, 2 auto)
110 V8 CSW (220k)
S3 109 hi cap pickup (ex RN)
S2A 88 Safari SW with lpg conversion (bloody lethal)
12th Jun 2018 8:17 pm
PROFSR G
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Yeah I've heard that said about the fitment of the bearings, but wouldn't that mean a lot more failures from the same production line? Given the issue is randomly present since 2004 to the present, I would have thought JLR would have spotted something wrong in fitting by now. The only thing I can see as a possibility is materials fatigue leading to failure. The arbitrary factor between failure and longevity perhaps being how hard a life the engine might have.
12th Jun 2018 9:32 pm
DrewLR4
Member Since: 17 Jan 2018
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So is the crank issue synonymous with overheating at some point in the vehicles history? and are there any common issues that can cause an overheat in these engines?
13th Jun 2018 8:26 am
Gareth Site Moderator
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As far as I know, nobody outside of the inner sanctum of Ford or JLR knows the failure path of the crank.
Why what or when, it’s a lottery. Some have done mega miles with just JlR service schedule and not had an issue, yet others have pampered and cared for their car and had it fail at a very young age or low mileage.
Suggestions of build errors or faulty materials, or design remain to be proved. Nobody as far as I know has successfully sued JLR, I’m not even sure anyone has tried. If they have and been successful then they have a condition to keep quiet!
13th Jun 2018 9:07 am
SimSamSeven
Member Since: 08 Dec 2012
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From reading the forum I can see that throughout the years of the D3 and certainly to about MY13 D4, this crank failure has been an issue. Is it an issue beyond MY13, or did they fix something around the time of the facelift? Or are the MY14 onwards too new to be affected yet?
Steve
13th Jun 2018 10:18 am
PROFSR G
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Hi SimSamSeven,
As far as I know they are failing well beyond MY13, but honestly I wouldn't loose too much sleep if any about it as it seems to remain a random and relatively infrequent occurrence.
Wouldn't it be interesting to know the crank failure rate for this shared engine across the other car makers, PSA, Ford, etc?
Perhaps even more interesting to know how many Jaguar failures, but I guess I'll be "whistling Dixie" for a long time before someone spits that statistic into the ether!!
13th Jun 2018 11:59 am
jonno1
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My friend’s MY14 went at 900miles just as he arrived at Garda. JLR refused to disclose the reason.
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13th Jun 2018 12:01 pm
PROFSR G
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Do you know if it needed an engine replacement?
13th Jun 2018 1:46 pm
jonno1
Member Since: 16 Jun 2010
Location: SW London
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Yes. New engine arrived in a crate together with techs from JLR.
They supervised removal of blown engine which was installed in the crate the new one came in. All sealed up and off they went with it.
JLR did all the paperwork with DVLA regarding new V5 etc.
Gave my friend free servicing for 3 years, pathetic in my opinion. New engine approaching 30k now with no issues.
13th Jun 2018 2:35 pm
PROFSR G
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That's incredible, I don't ever recall a brand new engine from any manufacturer going wallop in my 38 years in the trade, though as a rare event I'm sure it probably has done. That still leaves the question as to what is going on with the JLR TDV6. I'd really like to know the total number of failed units!
13th Jun 2018 3:38 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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The dealer I used to use told me they had one engine fail getting it off the transporter from Solihull.
13th Jun 2018 3:45 pm
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
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PROFSR G wrote:
That's incredible, I don't ever recall a brand new engine from any manufacturer going wallop in my 38 years in the trade, though as a rare event I'm sure it probably has done. That still leaves the question as to what is going on with the JLR TDV6. I'd really like to know the total number of failed units!
Quite a few Daf MX11 engines went pop almost immediately after delivery, there was a few that I knew of being replaced and heard of many others country wide.
13th Jun 2018 4:18 pm
PROFSR G
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DSL wrote:
The dealer I used to use told me they had one engine fail getting it off the transporter from Solihull.
That'll be a record for the lowest mileage engine to self-destruct
13th Jun 2018 4:39 pm
mower man
Member Since: 05 Jul 2011
Location: SOLIHULL
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Hi my crank snapped at 48000 miles, it had full service history and is 2015 model.
it was just out of warranty but i had taken out Warranty Direct cover and they covered it.
I had a replacement engine fitted from LR and the work was carried out by JAS Landrovers I believe they have done 5 snapped cranks so far and Joe who did the work told me they all have snapped in the same place.2015 Discovery 4 SE Tech
2012 Discovery 4 GS
2010 Discovery 4 GS
2005 Discovery 3 S
1998 Discovery TD5
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