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To be honest I'm not bothered who said what and without wishing to be rude, I am not getting into a debate over this, you love it, I loathe it.Andy
23rd Feb 2017 4:21 pm
petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
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Can't say I love it yet, I just enjoy opposing all the negative stuff.
Especially as the general public hasn't actually drove it.Peter
23rd Feb 2017 4:28 pm
mse
Member Since: 27 Jun 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 2707
The back is ugly in the flesh - ive seen loads for months.
The defender is a funny one - many LRs are better off road...it does depend on your definition (i might argue the range rover is the best)...but the defender is still the best because of the complete package - however deficient in many areas.
Yes i would prefer taking a rr any day of the week.Mike
23rd Feb 2017 7:17 pm
B16 KJR
Member Since: 10 Jul 2006
Location: Rosyth, Fife
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I thought this thread was about test DRIVE reports, not about how it looks
23rd Feb 2017 8:06 pm
petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 1135
Yes, apologies
Here is a report on its driving qualities
Peter
23rd Feb 2017 8:11 pm
B16 KJR
Member Since: 10 Jul 2006
Location: Rosyth, Fife
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Booked in tomorrow myself for a test drive, just wondered what everyone else thought that it DROVE like rather than what it looked like, after all beauty is in the eye of the beholder so they say
23rd Feb 2017 8:22 pm
crews control
Member Since: 18 Mar 2007
Location: Dorset
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petersw wrote:
Here is a report on its driving qualities
Isn't that just someone reading the press release while driving the LR approved route before a very nice lunch and business class return home?
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23rd Feb 2017 8:50 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
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I thought it drove fantastic, so much so I'm going to re-order an S 2.0 SD4 with a few options, which has everything I want apart from the better headlights at a far more reasonable price. From press test drives the 2.0 seems to be pretty good.
Love my current D4 but I enjoyed the 1hr 1/2 I spent with it yesterday, the build quality is pretty good a massive improvement over LRs of old, the wooden trim is plastic but looks more like wood than what's offered on the D4. The Incontrol Pro infotainment system is nice, swiping through the screens is very fluid. It does however feel like a tank on the road, not helped by the fact you sit in it more than on it like the D4, the rear seats do feel lower than the D4 and not as comfortable the loadspace does look smaller than the D4 and 3rd row not as easy to get into as the D4, as for the plank in the boot it felt sturdy but a bit of a pain and will give you dirt legs it you have the fixed height tow bar.
So after the slight disappointment of yesterday, I spent last night looking at replacements but kept coming back to the D5, so looked at what I want from a car. I don't tow and spend most of the time in it on my own, so do I really need the 3.0? No. I always have seat covers on my current one, so do I need the leather interior? No don't have it on my current one, Also do I need a premium metallic paint at £1660? No. So I've managed to slash almost £8k of my last order. So tomorrow I will be back at the dealers to see if I'm within my budget, failing that I will be happy enough with my D4.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
23rd Feb 2017 8:59 pm
petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
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Apologies CC
If people want me to stop posting here I will. Let me know.Peter
23rd Feb 2017 8:59 pm
robpenrose
Member Since: 12 Jan 2016
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Would be a shame if you stopped posting
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23rd Feb 2017 9:18 pm
crews control
Member Since: 18 Mar 2007
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No need to apologise!
I'm just explaining how those things work... post away. 2005 D3 HSE 2011 D4 Landmark 2016 D4 HSE Lux
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23rd Feb 2017 9:31 pm
RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 2260
B16 KJR wrote:
I thought this thread was about test DRIVE reports, not about how it looks
Out on the road it drives nice, less road noise than the D4 and less body roll although i was expecting it to be more planted than it was on fast corners. Didn't test the Petrol which is the one I'm considering. The 3.0 was very nice but not the massive jump i was somehow geared up for. Take off when you floor it was more immediate and the gearbox was shifting well, it seemed to be dropping gears when you gave it some poke more readily than the D4.
Ive pretty much tested all the alternates in the last few months. The D5 wasn't the most exhilarating drive but it wasn't the worst either I would say overall road performance was "ok" but I am hoping to try the Petrol soon
One thing that was interesting was there was definitely more resistance on the Park brake release. In all my D3/4s its always been hardly noticeable (unless it was on the blink ) this one had a very noticeable feel of resistance then release. Wonder if the design changed? haven't noticed it on the RRS or FFRR.
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23rd Feb 2017 9:35 pm
dantheman
Member Since: 12 Mar 2010
Location: Essex
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J77 wrote:
I thought it drove fantastic, so much so I'm going to re-order an S 2.0 SD4 with a few options, which has everything I want apart from the better headlights at a far more reasonable price. From press test drives the 2.0 seems to be pretty good.
Love my current D4 but I enjoyed the 1hr 1/2 I spent with it yesterday, the build quality is pretty good a massive improvement over LRs of old, the wooden trim is plastic but looks more like wood than what's offered on the D4. The Incontrol Pro infotainment system is nice, swiping through the screens is very fluid. It does however feel like a tank on the road, not helped by the fact you sit in it more than on it like the D4, the rear seats do feel lower than the D4 and not as comfortable the loadspace does look smaller than the D4 and 3rd row not as easy to get into as the D4, as for the plank in the boot it felt sturdy but a bit of a pain and will give you dirt legs it you have the fixed height tow bar.
So after the slight disappointment of yesterday, I spent last night looking at replacements but kept coming back to the D5, so looked at what I want from a car. I don't tow and spend most of the time in it on my own, so do I really need the 3.0? No. I always have seat covers on my current one, so do I need the leather interior? No don't have it on my current one, Also do I need a premium metallic paint at £1660? No. So I've managed to slash almost £8k of my last order. So tomorrow I will be back at the dealers to see if I'm within my budget, failing that I will be happy enough with my D4.
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23rd Feb 2017 10:24 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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It's not so much indecision, more priced out.
The only reason I went for the SE was to get the 3.0ltr engine and the LED headlights but, that was always going to push the budget. If it had been a Range Rover I may have been a bit more flexible with the budget. However the S spec suits me more both in price and kit level.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
23rd Feb 2017 10:54 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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So the question is: Do you really need a D5 or will something else do?
I've also been pondering what to do. I went to buy a D5 in December, having waited so long for it, and didn't. I'm fortunate to be a cash buyer and for the past few months I've been deciding what alternatives there are and what to do.
This week I decided that I would use the £70k I had put aside for a D5 and use it to but two more buy to lets. Rather than lose a wopping lump in depreciation for a car that doesn't give me more than I've got, I'm adding another two buy to let properties to my portfolio. I'm a bricks and mortars man. I know its lousey on tax etc but at least I own them and have control and I know my daughters will be OK.
My view is that in two years time, when my old bus is 14 years old, electric and hybrids will have moved on significantly, and that's where the future is. In the mean time I shall enjoy reading the reviews and how people in enjoy them.
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