Red Merle wrote:

I've just spent a day with the 180 bhp Ingenium engine in a Disco Sport

Are there people out there that are seriously considering paying to exchange their V6 D4 for an Ingenium powered D5?!!

One day, we may have no choice, but would anyone give up their V6 and volunteer for this? This engine would work very well in a Transit, but in something of this caliber?!

swansty wrote:

Red Merle wrote:

I've just spent a day with the 180 bhp Ingenium engine in a Disco Sport

Are there people out there that are seriously considering paying to exchange their V6 D4 for an Ingenium powered D5?!!

One day, we may have no choice, but would anyone give up their V6 and volunteer for this? This engine would work very well in a Transit, but in something of this caliber?!

Here we go again....why are you assuming the performance of a 240bhp engine is comparable to a 180bhp engine? no one is being forced into doing anything. People will make their own minds up as to what engine suits them. The D5 is no doubt being targeting at new customers who wont know what a TDV6 engine is like and therefore may find the 2.0 wonderful. The V6 D4 is hindered by a significant kerb weight - so the driving characteristics between a 4 pot D5 and 6 pot D4 may not be any different, and even, dare I say, better in the D5. For those that still want a V6 diesel, you still have the option. So in theory everyone should be happy!

Deanos_Beano wrote:

Makes a lot of sense

3.0 snaps crank so opt for a smaller engine ?

Deanos_Beano wrote:

Disco_Mikey wrote:

2.7/3.0 are made by PSA. Both guilty of spun bearings and snapped cranks

2.2 (Freelander 2) is also made by PSA. How often do you hear of them lunching themselves?

I was under the impression you meant the 4 pot D5 and I believe the current iteration of the engine has crankshaft problems , why would the freelander 2 engine be in a D5 ?

Edit freelander is not 3 ton plus either

Just comparing the smaller engine to the bigger engine from the same manufacturer

Indeed, the 4 pot Ingenium is a JLR engine. And the D5 is not 3 tonnes either...

Disco_Mikey wrote:

Deanos_Beano wrote:

Makes a lot of sense

3.0 snaps crank so opt for a smaller engine ?

Deanos_Beano wrote:

Disco_Mikey wrote:

2.7/3.0 are made by PSA. Both guilty of spun bearings and snapped cranks

2.2 (Freelander 2) is also made by PSA. How often do you hear of them lunching themselves?

I was under the impression you meant the 4 pot D5 and I believe the current iteration of the engine has crankshaft problems , why would the freelander 2 engine be in a D5 ?

Edit freelander is not 3 ton plus either

Just comparing the smaller engine to the bigger engine from the same manufacturer

Indeed, the 4 pot Ingenium is a JLR engine. And the D5 is not 3 tonnes either...

Understood , thought you might have some info other than the staus quo

Red Merle wrote:

swansty wrote:

Red Merle wrote:

I've just spent a day with the 180 bhp Ingenium engine in a Disco Sport

Are there people out there that are seriously considering paying to exchange their V6 D4 for an Ingenium powered D5?!!

One day, we may have no choice, but would anyone give up their V6 and volunteer for this? This engine would work very well in a Transit, but in something of this caliber?!

Here we go again....why are you assuming the performance of a 240bhp engine is comparable to a 180bhp engine? no one is being forced into doing anything. People will make their own minds up as to what engine suits them. The D5 is no doubt being targeting at new customers who wont know what a TDV6 engine is like and therefore may find the 2.0 wonderful. The V6 D4 is hindered by a significant kerb weight - so the driving characteristics between a 4 pot D5 and 6 pot D4 may not be any different, and even, dare I say, better in the D5. For those that still want a V6 diesel, you still have the option. So in theory everyone should be happy!

BHP figures have nothing to do with the point I was making; it's the sophistication that's lacking in a car of this price.

Still, like you say, people will have the choice.

petersw wrote:

I'm thinking the D5 gets the "2nd generation 3.0 V6" because of problems although Landrover wouldn't admit it.

"2.3.2 Six-cylinder Td6 diesel

New Discovery is also available with a powerful 258PS 3.0-litre V6 diesel engine, badged Td6. The single-turbo engine features low-pressure exhaust recirculation, a two-stage oil pump and revised fuel-injector nozzle for improved responses, refinement and efficiency.

This latest generation powertrain achieves a seven per cent reduction in CO2 emissions over the previous 256PS Discovery TDV6; down from 203g/km to 189g/km, and is capable of up to 39.2mpg (7.2l/100 km).

The 258PS engine delivers stronger performance than before and the benchmark 0-100km/h sprint takes only 8.1 seconds (0-60mph in 7.7 seconds) – a reduction of 1.3 seconds. With a significant 600Nm of torque on offer, the new Td6 diesel delivers relaxed cruising refinement and towering all-terrain capability."

swansty wrote:

I agree bhp isn't everything but equally you can't compare a disco sport to a disco 5. Not until you have driven the D5 and judged the "sophistication" whatever that means. If you mean it's too small a number (2.0) to be in a premium car, then market forces will take care of that as no one will buy them. If you mean refinement then let's see what the engineers have done though isolation and soundproofing. I'm not saying any of your points are wrong, I'm saying it's too early to be so definitive about them by comparing a different engine in a different car. Keep an open mind and don't dismiss it too early. To be successful LR need to sell cars and if that means offering smaller engine options to appeal to more buyers then so be it.

There are many factors, but the lower mean piston speed and overlapping power strokes of a 6-pot will always offer a significant advantage over a 4-pot. The 4-pot has a slightly longer stroke so a higher mean piston speed at the same RPM. Creating a more highly strung engine doesn't normally help either; on paper, the 4-pot and 6-pot aren't miles apart in power and torque, but the 4-pot will be working significantly harder to do the same thing. The V6 will definitely have something to offer over the 4-pot.

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dubbs wrote:

Why isn't anyone comparing the PETROL?

Just asking as I was quite excited to see it's a choice

dubbs wrote:

Why isn't anyone comparing the PETROL?

Just asking as I was quite excited to see it's a choice