petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
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The 4 pot said to have comparable performance to outgoing D4 3.L V6 diesel.
The D5 V6 is latest generation engine.
You pays your money & make your choice
2.3.1 Efficient and powerful Sd4 diesel
The introduction of Land Rover’s award-winning Ingenium diesel engines ensures New Discovery offers highly competitive emissions.
The high output 240PS 2.0-litre diesel is for customers who demand performance while still enjoying the competitive running costs associated with the Ingenium engine family.
With 240PS and 500Nm of torque the new Sd4 powerplant delivers strong performance, powering New Discovery from 0-100km/h in 8.3 seconds (0-60mph in 8.0 seconds) – with comparable performance compared to the outgoing Discovery 3.0-litre V6 diesel. Despite this hike, the new four-cylinder unit provides competitive CO2 emissions of 171g/km and is capable of 43.5mpg.
The engine uses the latest-generation high-pressure common rail direct fuel injection operating at pressures of up to 2200 bar using solenoid injectors. It features a single turbocharger with variable nozzle turbine (VNT) technology and a high-efficiency water-cooled intercooler for superior engine responses.
This UK-built Ingenium powerplant brings new levels of diesel comfort to the Discovery family thanks to a range of advanced features. Dual-isolated engine mounts and further optimised transmission mounts combine with variable cam timing on the exhaust side and twin balancer shafts for the upmost refinement.
The advanced engine is the first Jaguar Land Rover powerplant to feature series sequential turbo technology to deliver its additional thrust.
2.3.2 Six-cylinder Td6 diesel
"New Discovery is also available with a powerful 258PS 3.0-litre V6 diesel engine, badged Td6. The single-turbo engine features low-pressure exhaust recirculation, a two-stage oil pump and revised fuel-injector nozzle for improved responses, refinement and efficiency.
This latest generation powertrain achieves a seven per cent reduction in CO2 emissions over the previous 256PS Discovery TDV6; down from 203g/km to 189g/km, and is capable of up to 39.2mpg (7.2l/100 km).
The 258PS engine delivers stronger performance than before and the benchmark 0-100km/h sprint takes only 8.1 seconds (0-60mph in 7.7 seconds) – a reduction of 1.3 seconds. With a significant 600Nm of torque on offer, the new Td6 diesel delivers relaxed cruising refinement and towering all-terrain capability." Peter
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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Oh goody! A press release  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 11th Nov 2016 1:12 pm |
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Mralig
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: Edinburgh
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I don't think comparing the D5 to the D4 is the right comparison. There was already another thread about this.
In terms of straight line performance and economy the D4 was literally way off the pace. The offset was transaction prices were reasonably low.
The D5 is a much more expensive car, especially assuming the lack of discounts.
The most comparable cars to the D5 are the XC90 and the Q7. For similar money to a 4 pot D5 you can have a 6 cylinder 278PS Q7 which does 0-100kmh in 6.5 seconds.
When a new car is launched you would normally compare its performance to competitors in the market that you might buy instead, not to the replaced car which may have been several years old.
The price gap between the 4 and 6 cylinder is very small. Unless you buy based on emissions there wouldn't seem to be much benefit to the small saving.
I have seen the car in person and really like it but am awaiting a better 6 cylinder engine.
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| 11th Nov 2016 3:31 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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I've just spent a day with the 180 bhp Ingenium engine in a Disco Sport
Are there people out there that are seriously considering paying to exchange their V6 D4 for an Ingenium powered D5?!! 
One day, we may have no choice, but would anyone give up their V6 and volunteer for this? This engine would work very well in a Transit, but in something of this caliber?!  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 21st Nov 2016 7:20 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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For £1.5k extra, the V6 is worth it especially when most will be buying SE upwards.
I wasn't impressed with it in the Evoque loaner I had. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 21st Nov 2016 7:50 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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Has to be one of the best £1,500.00 ever spent!  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 21st Nov 2016 7:54 pm |
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dlks151
Member Since: 06 Feb 2010
Location: Auchinloch
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I've currently got the Jag XR R Sport 180ps loaner on test, nice car over all but I cant say I'm overly impressed with the Ingenium engine. I just cant see how this will transfer over to the D5 and work adaquately, press it and it propels the Jag along nicely but its not what I'd call refined and neither is it quiet (but is that just because i've just come out of a SDV6?). There are 10 types of people in this world ~ those that understand binary and those that don't.
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Range Rover TDV8 Westminster - Now gone
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| 21st Nov 2016 9:53 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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As has already been said, for the school run mums and the city centre trendy types, the Ingenium will be all they want/need. The £1500 saving on the V6 will be spent on bling wheels. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 21st Nov 2016 10:31 pm |
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BLFarrar
Member Since: 02 Aug 2006
Location: Deepest, Dankest, Darkest, Dingiest......Le Halifax, West Yorkshire...with strong links to Ireland
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The ingenium 2.0 litre diesel is or may be in its developments...
It will never be better than a larger displacement V6 or straight six....
On paper it shows the dynamometer figures....
Where it counts is the 3rd lane of the motorway when you need the power to accelerate, when you have a laden trailer attached on a challenging road, or a fully laden vehicle with a full compliment of passengers or cargo....
The laws of physics prevent that....you can only get so much from a given engine cc....smaller engines revving thier balls off can produce figures that can be compared to anything.
2.0 litres on a vehicle D5 size may suffice toodling around town on the school run or Sainsbury's car park but realistically on more challenging duties are a distinct liability.
The yummy mummy contingent would hardly ever know the difference & to tell you the truth I'm not that bothered that LandRover are pandering to thier needs BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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| 22nd Nov 2016 7:56 am |
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Deanos_Beano
Member Since: 21 Feb 2016
Location: Lancashire
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Makes a lot of sense 
3.0 snaps crank so opt for a smaller engine ?
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| 22nd Nov 2016 9:05 am |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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2.7/3.0 are made by PSA. Both guilty of spun bearings and snapped cranks
2.2 (Freelander 2) is also made by PSA. How often do you hear of them lunching themselves? My D3 Build Thread
TDV8 Retrofit Build Thread
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| 22nd Nov 2016 9:11 am |
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BLFarrar
Member Since: 02 Aug 2006
Location: Deepest, Dankest, Darkest, Dingiest......Le Halifax, West Yorkshire...with strong links to Ireland
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How many are there & what's the cause if this ?
Misuse ?.....I would like to see what misuses actually cause a crankshaft to break....maybe the ingestion of water....
A manufacturing issue ?
A materials issue ?
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Maybe a design issue ?
But to my humble thoughts the 2.0 ingenium is the economy engine......ersatz solution to a real problem
It manages in vehicles of less mass & lower expectations - just BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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| 22nd Nov 2016 9:13 am |
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Deanos_Beano
Member Since: 21 Feb 2016
Location: Lancashire
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Disco_Mikey wrote:2.7/3.0 are made by PSA. Both guilty of spun bearings and snapped cranks
2.2 (Freelander 2) is also made by PSA. How often do you hear of them lunching themselves?
I was under the impression you meant the 4 pot D5 and I believe the current iteration of the engine has crankshaft problems , why would the freelander 2 engine be in a D5 ?
Edit freelander is not 3 ton plus either
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| 22nd Nov 2016 9:22 am |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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The ingenium is a 2.0 built by LR, reason enough not to take it. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 22nd Nov 2016 9:41 am |
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