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Postal Delays
Hi all
Due to the strike action affecting the Mail, shipping of DISCO3 Shop orders will be delayed until Wednesday October 10th (next Wednesday). Any orders placed before then will be made up ready to send out on that date.
Helpfully, the advice from RM is:
# Do not post on strike days
# Do not delay postings until after strike days, as it is likely to take some time to clear the backlog of mail
So when exactly do I post stuff I want to send out during the strike then? IDIOTS!06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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4th Oct 2007 7:51 am
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4th Oct 2007 8:21 am
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It's amazing, they're striking because there are cost pressures within the business & they want to protect their income, yet the very act of causing 6 days of turmoil, will cause customers to switch to the newer postal services around TNT & DHL are looking like entering the fray as well.
This in turn, will cause more cost shortages as people switch to more reliable services....
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4th Oct 2007 11:54 am
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This has always confused me about unions too Bods.
Also the fact that when a company has to lay off people due to closing offices / factories / etc in order to stay in business, the unions go on strike to save the jobs like its their members god given right to have a job for EVER
Pay is another...
"sorry people we are not making enough to give you more pay next year"
Union response...
"OK, we will strike until you are forced into giving our members their rightful pay increase"
For areas such as teaching and nursing etc, where the majority work their butts off, I can completely agree to the unions going on strike in order to get their members a fairer deal.
This could turn in to an anti / pro union thread soon
4th Oct 2007 12:01 pm
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I just can't get my head round the pay bits. PO losing money through poor management & union positioning, so let's have another strike....
Scenario 1. On another contentious linked issue, hypothetically, what would happen if LR decided to close down Gaydon & move to Poland or Tunisia. Aside from potential government intervention, they'd probably all strike. Would that be the right or the wrong thing to do?
Scenario 2. LR are losing so much money, but they have great products, in order to survive, they have to close Liverpool & combine workforce at Gaydon, but reduce staff level by a third. They'd probably still all strike? but perhaps mean that more than 1/3 of people need to lose their jobs.
Jobs for life......? People and companies need to change & it's those that don't change that hold back industry and cause companies (and governments) to decline
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4th Oct 2007 12:50 pm
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So thats three towers then... those elephants are going to be running scared protecting their tusks
4th Oct 2007 12:56 pm
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The Post Offices days are numbered IMHO but it is the role of the union to get the best pay and T's&C's for their members. Unions do recognise the shifting nature of any sector and want to work with the employer to lessen the impact of this not only on the employee but also the employer. They will not however accept the driving through of low pay deals and major T&C changes at the drop of a hat while management continue to earn large bonus's for poor performance. A strike represents failiure by all parties ...'ALL' being the operative word here. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
4th Oct 2007 1:04 pm
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simon wrote:
For areas such as teaching and nursing etc, where the majority work their butts off, I can completely agree to the unions going on strike in order to get their members a fairer deal.
Tend to agree here Simon - however for teaching they have an assured cost of living increase (linked to inflation) and then the unions expect for the staff, if they have hit certain performance related targets, to get another increase onwards and upwards the scale.
Now i don't have a major problem with this - apart from the targets are massaged (downwards) by head teachers and the government.
They're massaged to ensure the schools are ranked well in performance league tables and also if they are performing well, then the government/LEA doesn't need to expend anymore on improving performance.
Last year i didn't get a payrise and yet last year i worked my ass off (hit targets that people thought were virtually impossible) and yet i had to sit on the personnel committee for my local school and ensure that some "mediocre" teachers got money for basically turning up.... end'eth the sermon.
Anyone who feels the need to complain and strike about pay, T&C's etc should be forced to go self-employed and contract themselves to their ex-employer now 'customer'. Then they'd see where their bread is was buttered.
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