Lost for Words wrote:

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...a product over which I have had neither the choice nor ability to influence in any way shape or form...

Here was me thinking that products were developed for customers' needs and desires.

Did I miss out on a voting card in the tailgate referendum then?

Anyway ...another Leave promise of a points based immigration system has just been tossed on the fire by Mother Teresa

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Theresa May has rejected a points-based system for controlling EU migration, one of the key promises of Leave campaigners during the referendum.

Ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage said many people had voted Leave for the policy, backed by Boris Johnson among others.

LT wrote:

Before the referendum, I must have spent half a dozen or so hours reading about trade agreements. I sought out articles by authors who weren't political and had no agenda. Some of them were dated prior to the last general election.

The overwhelming factor was how complex and time consuming these deals were. I gave up before I really understood quite why they should take so long to come to fruition.

People pussy-foot around. If everyone were just frank with each other and just set out their own lines and let each other decide, it would be much easier.

That's why we should just say, "These are what we'll accept into the country, and these are what we have to offer you". Then other nations do the same, and where these interests match, we trade. There should be no twisting people's arms, no payments, no enforcement - all of these things mean false economies.

This is my view on roughly what we should do: We take everything in house and work with any willing countries to lay down their requirements and discuss regulations to identify equivalents - with our regulatory demands kept to a minimum. There's no body of enforcement, only voluntary agreements between nations that allow each nation to set out their customs laws to suit. Anyone would be able to arrange or take part in the ratification of acceptable standards - done either by agreements with other governments, or by our own government acting abroad to grant approvals, or arrangements with the private sector directly with importers and exporters (i.e. you pay/contribute to prove conformity and you can import).

We then trade tariff free with any country on any goods that have been deemed to meet acceptable regulatory requirements, regardless or not of whether the other countries choose to impose tariffs at their end. We apply these requirements at our end with strong customs enforcement. We take resposibility for the goods and services in our country, rather than try to make others do it for us. As an aside, any consequently non-profitable sectors that we should still wish to retain could be supported as a service/investment instead - simply paid for by the gains of free trade, as opposed to the use of protectionist tariffs.

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DG wrote:

Lost for Words wrote:

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...a product over which I have had neither the choice nor ability to influence in any way shape or form...

Here was me thinking that products were developed for customers' needs and desires.

Did I miss out on a voting card in the tailgate referendum then?

Are you deliberately trying to prove my point?

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I can see why it fits in perfectly with your political leanings and views on the EU; as though influence only comes when explicitly granted, regulated and enforced by government and other organisations.

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comedyharvey wrote:

They are DG, saying it was a promise. I'm not clear how any of them could have promised it bearing in mind none of them knew who would be in power post the referendum. Most presumed Cameron would still be there.

Lost for Words wrote:

I can see why it fits in perfectly with your political leanings and views on the EU;

What are my political leanings and views on the EU?

Lost for Words wrote:

LT wrote:

Before the referendum, I must have spent half a dozen or so hours reading about trade agreements. I sought out articles by authors who weren't political and had no agenda. Some of them were dated prior to the last general election.

The overwhelming factor was how complex and time consuming these deals were. I gave up before I really understood quite why they should take so long to come to fruition.

People pussy-foot around. If everyone were just frank with each other and just set out their own lines and let each other decide, it would be much easier.

That's why we should just say, "These are what we'll accept into the country, and these are what we have to offer you". Then other nations do the same, and where these interests match, we trade. There should be no twisting people's arms, no payments, no enforcement - all of these things mean false economies.

This is my view on roughly what we should do: We take everything in house and work with any willing countries to lay down their requirements and discuss regulations to identify equivalents - with our regulatory demands kept to a minimum. There's no body of enforcement, only voluntary agreements between nations that allow each nation to set out their customs laws to suit. Anyone would be able to arrange or take part in the ratification of acceptable standards - done either by agreements with other governments, or by our own government acting abroad to grant approvals, or arrangements with the private sector directly with importers and exporters (i.e. you pay/contribute to prove conformity and you can import).

We then trade tariff free with any country on any goods that have been deemed to meet acceptable regulatory requirements, regardless or not of whether the other countries choose to impose tariffs at their end. We apply these requirements at our end with strong customs enforcement. We take resposibility for the goods and services in our country, rather than try to make others do it for us. As an aside, any consequently non-profitable sectors that we should still wish to retain could be supported as a service/investment instead - simply paid for by the gains of free trade, as opposed to the use of protectionist tariffs.