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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
  
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What a complete load of twaddle... couldn't even be bothered to read it all.
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 18th Jun 2007 10:21 pm |
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Jads777
Member Since: 03 Sep 2005
Location: Channel Islands
Posts: 697
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What complete and utter inaccurate cr@p.
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| 18th Jun 2007 10:24 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
 
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Paid my money... made my choice..... happy with it! 
Apparently unlike Ford  
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| 18th Jun 2007 10:24 pm |
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sbbr
Member Since: 31 May 2007
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 37
 
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Agree with You, community. But different points of view always make me think. And worse, because my first LR (Disco3) is incoming. 
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| 18th Jun 2007 10:30 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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Then enjoy it just like we all do 
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| 18th Jun 2007 10:31 pm |
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Disco Dog
Member Since: 07 Dec 2006
Location: Chorley, Lancashire
Posts: 149
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Obviously got a downer on Ford.
Tw*t 2006 G4 Challenge Support Vehicle
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| 18th Jun 2007 10:53 pm |
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CY
Member Since: 16 Aug 2005
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 4506
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Just another load of hyped up 
Not impressed with all that nonsensical Volvo rubbish either... 2007 Porsche Boxster (987) 2.7
2008 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE G4 Challenge (1 of 68)
2023 Defender 90 D250 X-Dynamic HSE
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| 18th Jun 2007 11:00 pm |
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Rob Bruce
Member Since: 18 Jun 2006
Location: Canberra
Posts: 687
 
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May be a small number have had major disapointments with early builds, ( Me for one ) 
In my experience you either love LRs or hate LRs but the short of it now days they out preform everything
on the road,
As for that article it is one persons opinion. which is pure unadulterated
Rob Bruce
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| 19th Jun 2007 7:45 am |
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Drookit Dug
Member Since: 11 Jun 2007
Location: SOUTH EAST
Posts: 58
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It's time for a reality check guys n' girls. Landrovers are very unreliable. It's a fact and I believe that those of us that haven't buried our heads in the sand will acknowledge it. We may love them but they do let us down.
My Disco 2 cost me £1000 in parts and labour in the first four months of this year (Steering box being the bulk of the cost) just to get it through an MOT & 64K service. My wife's freelander started to play up (Clutch master cylinder seal came out through the bleed nipple) and these are'nt old cars.
I was talking to a Disco 3 owner two weeks ago who told me his car was on it's third clutch in less than a year!
Landrover products are notoriously unreliable and the dealerships appear not to care once you have driven the car away. They really are awful!
Having said that I am now the proud owner of a Disco 3 and have done 400 miles in the last three days and love it! Landrovers are like marmite. If you like them you can't get enough. If you don't like them though you hate them!
None of us should ignore statistics though, and for landrovers the facts are there to be seen. They are among the most unreliable cars on the road. What we can do however is seek out the specialist garages (Not Land rover main dealers) who know their stuff and use facilities like this forum to spread knowledge.
Oh! And I love marmite almost as much as I love Landrovers!
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| 19th Jun 2007 9:01 am |
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CJS
Member Since: 02 Nov 2006
Location: East Lothian
Posts: 62
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Drookit Dug is spot on. I love Land Rovers and have been driving them since 1987. My first Defender 90 was great fun. It was fairly reliable (three steering boxes fitted one after the other!) but it was easy to fix. My next Disco was horrific but my next one was a great car which I kept for 9 years. Not a thing went wrong with it. The Disco 3 is lovely to drive but it is scary to think how much of it is electrical and therefore how much could go wrong with it. I have had the car since last August and have had to deal with a complete electrical spasm! This meant all lights flashed, the doors kept locking and unlocking, the stereo went on and off etc. Dealer was only minutes away so I managed to limp there and leave the cars for three days. A new wiring loom (just behind the dash) fixed the problem. My rear parking sensors have had the wiring loom there replaced. My amp has blown and been replaced and I have had a problem with the parking break shoe on a rear wheel. I think this is a lot for a car still under warranty - in less than twelve months. Also fuel consumption is much poorer than my old Disco. Love the car when it behaves. If the dealers were more helpful this would make life much easier. Nothing beats it on the road (or off) when I am loaded up with the whole family (wife and four kids plus three dogs). It is very spacious and comfortable. Off road it is exceptional.
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| 19th Jun 2007 11:21 am |
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dick dastardly
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: wiggleigh bottom
Posts: 1112
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The truth about cars is...
It's not about going from one place to another as cheaply and reliably as you can, otherwise we'd all be driving mopeds. It's about charisma, style, beauty, elegance, grace, strength and all the other characteristics that the intelligent discovery design projects. The fact that the mechanical/electrical bits didn't always work is of course a let down but was largely due to BMW electronics not working very well with Jaguar motor sensors etc., problems that have largely been ironed out now.
No, I look forward to my choice arriving any time soon. And as for bombastic journalists writing about truth, their industry is based on making mountains out of molehills. (Was that a controversial statement? Maybe I should try journalism).
See you some time on top of a real mountain....
Dastardly. There's one wheel on my wagon, but i'm still rollin' along, it's the cherokee, they're after me, but I'm singing a happy song
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| 19th Jun 2007 11:27 am |
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neo
Member Since: 16 Nov 2005
Location: embedded in the Matrix
Posts: 1192
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FWIW/IMHO,
Hmmm,
The guy doesn't like LR/SUVs much does he, and it obviously doesn't colour his judgement on the matter. 
The to cite Maserati and Alfa (when he learns how to spell it) as shining examples of class/market leading turnarounds.......errr, where did he get that from - Alfa has improved but when reviewed then still get the 'also ran' tag.
Maserati is nice, but is still under pinned by struggling Fiat - and they are totally overshadowed by, Aston Martin, who Ford did turn around and genuinely re-invigorate.
Volvo, well Ford was trying to dominate the European market with PAG, it failed and it is reaping the whirlwind.
Seem to me that this guys feels that Ford has been ruined by PAG, and cites the British Motors as the root cause, fact of the matter is that the real issue is closer to home - Americans aren't buying American, they are buying Japanese. The M-Power Express
=~ prorsus per angustias ~=
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| 19th Jun 2007 11:57 am |
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noreserve
Member Since: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 54
  
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I have no doubt that Ford had no business buying these brands. Any design/manufacturing synergies and potential platform sharing were far outweighed by the monumental task of executing any of it without screwing up your existing brand. Ford is a "for the masses" brand that really should have only looked at acquisitions like these if it actually was on top in multiple areas. These brands have only contributed to Ford's problems. Ford needs to dump them all, along with it's Mercury division and concentrate on Ford (value) and Lincoln (luxury). GM needs to do the same - dump Pontiac, Buick, Saturn, Chevrolet and others and perhaps end up with only GM and Cadillac. These car companies can't afford all the baggage that comes with the overlapping markets, dealerships and huge inefficiencies.
Land Rover does have a very valuable brand image here in the States. Unfortunately, that image of prestige and capability is tarnished by the quality problems. Most of us can relate to that first-hand. I knew what I was getting into when I bought the D3/LR3. These are also probably the last of the heavyweights from Land Rover. They will have to design lighter, more reliable and more fuel efficient vehicles to survive - regardless of who ends up buying them. As for reliability, I have no idea why Land Rover can't seem to find it. Is it sloppiness of assembly? I have a hard time believing that as much as I do problems in component design/manufacturing. Air suspension glitches, electronic glitches, fuel tank/sender failures, inappropriate tire selection (Goodyear), sunroof drainage design, low coolant light, flickering nav screen - the list goes on. Saying all that, I still love the vehicle. It has many positive attributes that I can also list that keep me driving it. I am convinced of the safety, space, comfort and capability. Yes, I could have kept our Honda Odyssey Touring and had a more reliable, cheaper and great driving experience. That I didn't, speaks volumes about the uniqueness that is Land Rover.
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| 19th Jun 2007 2:12 pm |
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BarryG
Member Since: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Eire
Posts: 1333
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sbbr wrote:Agree with You, community. But different points of view always make me think. And worse, because my first LR (Disco3) is incoming.
Just for those looking from the out side in here who dont have a Discovery 3 and who
use this site for some pre-sales reading.
This is a real world statement .
I have owned in the past few years (all from new)
a Isuzu trooper , a Toyota Landcruiser , A Nissan Pathfinder and now
the Discovery 3.
My Discovery is one year old this month (44000k) , and I use it every
day of the week for work and for fun.
It has proven to be the most reliable of the brands I have owned
this has even surprised me , as it had been up agents Japan's best
all fine veheicles, but the Disco has been better
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| 19th Jun 2007 4:46 pm |
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