DSL wrote:

Got my next LR lined up, my folks' new D4 Landmark.

Assuming LR can get their elbow out of their ar.se and get the heating system sorted out.

Heating system on the D5 is really good I mean really really good

Sorry Del couldn't resist

BLFarrar wrote:

Russell wrote:

BLFarrar wrote:

"Yes"
But the question in the thread didn't mention that...
I may read reviews....but I don't have or have to have my opinion made up for me......

Maybe those who have bought a D5 or are going to will have thier egos boosted if they read a review that's not negative...maybe.....
..but as said before I feel really sorry for those who have to buy a D5 because it's the esteem thing to do or what's expected of them......

Even though in (not just) my opinion the D5 is far from ideal in critical areas ....like providing comfort for passengers. Fundamental stuff for a lifestyle vehicle that's meant to carry passengers..

Note: Others on here have said the just the same as I have....

You clearly do not like the D5 and that's great because we are all allowed our own opinions
However please don't tar me with your view "ego boasted esteemed thing" I buy a car because I like it and because I work hard in two jobs which allows me to be fortunate enough to change my car if I want to.
Had I not brought a D5 I would probably have brought an XC90 twin engine for a change
As for posting in here people want to see about the new car and hear what it is like and there are things which aren't as good as the D4 but at no time have I forced my opinion on others or tried to belittle or be nasty about them because they do not share my view or because they are not in a position to afford one. As far as I am concerned anyone who has a Land Rover is cut from the same cloth and will always earn my respect

No - I don't like the D5 at all - not because it's clearly different to look at "the style" thing it's because it won't do what I need which is:
carrying at least four maybe five passengers in realistic comfort at least once or twice per week.....a fundamental feature.
carry bulky loads ...... usually every week without hiring a van.
tow trailers usually every two weeks.....large ones.

About a year ago "we" all glimpsed at spy shots, prototype vehicles at car shows, what we saw at Gaydon....we all wondered about suicide hinged the wrong way rear doors.....the non split tailgate wasn't spoken about till it became evident (from pictures) it wasn't.
I say we (which may be a mistake or an assumption) that most on here have a D3/4 & the vast majority revere the vehicle even with the odd fault or design oversight....a common set of thoughts & to an extent values.

The odd person said it was tired, needed streamlining, was out of date - which ten years in to the model life the vehicle clearly wasn't "new" & was to be replaced by what we hoped built on what was there that was good & improved or eliminated the not so good......more economy, a lighter vehicle etc etc

What wasn't realised was LR have re-thought the whole thing to be what we needed or wanted....more a people carrier than its predecessor at the expense of quite a lot....seven seats isn't a prime feature for most D3/4 was a 5 + 2...The two being quite usable for adult sized adults.

What's appeared as the D5 isn't to a lot of people's liking using the "looks" of the vehicle which now is more conformist.....being honest it's an amalgam of lots of vehicles "style".....not a factor high on my list...in fact not on my list at all
The function of the vehicle is to me (at least) paramount....this specific vehicle hasn't got to make a statement......it's a utility vehicle.

Yes - I would have been considering renewing my brilliant D3 if the replacement was a viable option, but leaving the well named "wonky-arsed" style out of the consideration equation - considering what the vehicle had to do - the D5 isn't on "a"or "the" list, to me it's all about function.

Personally I would never order an unseen vehicle (well before it was launched or seen properly) in fact I wouldn't buy anything unseen....always a risk but in a vehicle case could be a huge expensive avoidable mistake. I could buy (cash) far more costly vehicle but don't - primarily because I (me) doesn't want or need to.

Russell.....I too work hard in one job, so the funds I have are finite, I have been frivolous in other areas like having a mid life crisis sports car that is indulgent, useless in winter weather, not built for more than two people & minimal luggage.....but thats me (alongside many others on here & not on here). I'll leave out expensive wrist watches, up market coffee machines or real estate property.

I look at what others buy.....some smart purchases & some not so smart.
I didn't consider the D3 until it was well over the initial production / design / dealer imponderable support stage...."early adopters" are an extension of product testing but not with maker provided vehicles - vehicles bought by the customer ignoring "caveat emptor". I've only done this once with a Volvo that broke my heart with list of serious issues. Lesson learnt.
To me the D3/4 is in the same design icon league as the Jag E type, Citroên SM, SAAB 900 etc. Hard if not impossible to follow with replacement vehicles.

As I have said in this thread I feel sorry for those who have bought or are buying a D5 - they are getting early production run vehicles with far too small engines that are on a model that falls far short of what's gone before. These may be tough to sell on.
I don't have to post a picture of what I've bought for forum members to "ooh" & "arr" over, I don't have to justify it at the boozer, at work or the lodge or golf club. If someone likes what I buy & they see or just the opposite it doesn't alter my standing or boost my ego. I couldn't give a flying .

But on an open forum (within the rules & bounds) it doesn't restrict me from making comment (if it's due or otherwise) sometime I will or may comments other time I may not. My choice.
If D5 owners, potential owners or afficinados take exception to this they will have to live with it - as for my needs a D5 isn't a smart option (or for that matter any option). If exception is taken by D5 owners or potential owners etc, it may be what I have highlighted as regards function is factual, but they disregard these very obvious factors preferring to be dazzled by "style", being an early adopter or something else.

Maybe the Defender replacement will fulfill my (& many others) needs. Let's hope function will dictate form with this vehicle.

jimbg wrote:

You can always have the new Ssanyong XAVL