DG
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Dannyson wrote:According to the latest 'Which' magazine report Car Guide - once again all LR products come out as a 'Don't Buy' from what I have read. Third from bottom of the 'reliability index' - only Chevrolet and Saab are worse. I think we all know this 
I am a member of Which? ...they have never had a good word to say about any aspect of LRs even in areas where you know they excel ....most of the reliability info is also ancient 
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Dannyson
Member Since: 14 Oct 2014
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980 responses from this years survey as far as I can see.....compared to 540 from Lexus which came top (mainly as usual)... of course Lexus don't have the same 'hard' off road ability (but probably enough for most of us!)..... even so... it does not seem to be that ability that gives LR such a low reliability rating..... 2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
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| 22nd Aug 2018 9:41 pm |
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DG
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My point is it's invariably not the current range they refer to .....you could write in about the reliability of an FL1 and they will rate it against the brand today
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| 22nd Aug 2018 10:08 pm |
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Dannyson
Member Since: 14 Oct 2014
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I understand the survey focus on the last 3 years of ownership from new... 2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
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| 22nd Aug 2018 11:00 pm |
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DG
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It seems they include reliability "in the first three years and years three to eight"
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| 22nd Aug 2018 11:30 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
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The best LRs I owned was the Fl2. These new generation of LRs are terrible in terms of quality and reliability. My Velar alone has been in the dealers (not including service) more than my previous LRs put together. Even for a die hard fan like me, it would make me think twice about buying another. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 23rd Aug 2018 7:07 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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The apparent inability, or maybe lack of desire, of the dealerships to fix problems doesn't help. None of us mind the odd issue with our cars - they're not perfect, we know that - but sometimes issues take dealer 2, 3 or more attempts to sort. Sometimes they cause issues when trying to fix something else entirely.
Putting your vehicle in to a dealership, waiting a week for them to do nothing (too busy doing lucrative oil changes), having to chase them constantly with no success (no one returns call etc) makes any reliability issue seem much bigger. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 23rd Aug 2018 7:50 am |
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DG
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A further problem is the pace of dealership\service expansion has not kept up with the model range and increased sales....they seem to be lagging well behind.
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| 23rd Aug 2018 7:53 am |
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Gareth
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Agree with that one DG. Since GS merged their Jaguar and Land Rover dealerships, getting a workshop appointment or a phone call returned is like waiting for a ship at an airport!
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| 23rd Aug 2018 7:58 am |
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JackNorris
Member Since: 06 Jul 2012
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Gareth has hit the nail on th me head above! MY2023 Discovery 5 R-Dynamic 3.0
MY2020 Discovery 5 Landmark 3.0 - SOLD
MY2005 Discovery 3 V8 4.4 HSE - SOLD
MY2019 Discovery 5 SE 3.0 - LR Replaced !
MY2005 Discovery 3 S 2.7 - SOLD
MY2016 Discovery 4 Graphite - SOLD
MY2015 Discovery 4 SE Tech - SOLD
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| 23rd Aug 2018 9:34 pm |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
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LT wrote:Red Merle wrote:Now I’ve got a 2018MY D5 V6 HSE loaner for a few days; joy is unconfined!  
While the car might be the usual D5 fodder, it’s nice to drive with that wonderful V6 again
The twin turbo version? If such a thing is even available, I'm not up to speed on the new LR engines.
I love the EU6 3.0 SDV6 in my D4 though. 
It is a twin-turbo 306 horsepower, 700Nm torque.
As soon as the 4.4d V8 engine is no longer available in the RRS I'll be switching to a Disco 5 with this engine as I am back to the old choice I had of the 3.0 D4 Vs the original RRS with the same engine and the Disco' just offered 'more for the same' on our company car scheme.
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| 24th Aug 2018 8:01 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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700nm  Isn't that about the same torque as the 4.4 SDV8 produces ? 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 24th Aug 2018 8:26 am |
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astonbuilder
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No, that's 339 horsepower and 740Nm torque.
The on-paper figures suggest they are pretty close on acceleration, etc. but the V6 more fuel frugal but in real world usage I found them pretty close on fuel in my hands but there is less a 'need' for the V8 anymore 
I'm a bit of a dinosaur and after having four Jag' XKR's I had to 'wean' myself off the 550bhp engine so had four more V8d RRS's 
Little foray to the 380ps F-Pace and now back in the RRS.
My next company car will likely be my last 4.4d RRS I expect so then the choice of 3.0 Velar (380 petrol or 306 diesel) RRS or D5 most likely and from those I'd choose the D5
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| 24th Aug 2018 9:08 am |
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LT
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About 6% difference in Nm then. Still very impressive!
I prefer to look at the torque figures for diesel engines, rather than bhp.
I'd still like a 4.4 SDV8 though 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 24th Aug 2018 11:48 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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@ Astonbuilder:
The current/newest iteration of td6 is a really nice engine to drive but, whatever the figures say and no matter how close the outputs, I find the power delivery is very, very different to the SDV8. 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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