kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
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SantaCruz wrote:kajtzu wrote:kajtzu wrote:Indeed, it was a C-17, NAG44XT.
Didn’t stay long, it’s already back over the Gulf of Oman.
We're on the ground for minimum times!
Not arguing at all, sounds really smart to have very fast turn arounds 
(Seen the people running next to planes today……  )
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kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
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RRSTDV8 wrote:China is talking to the Taliban. They will buy favoured status to ensure they can have some say in what happens in the region.
They want access to the natural resources one way or another. Afghanistan has plenty of that in the ground. They’re not too picky on basic human rights either.
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| 16th Aug 2021 6:01 pm |
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kajtzu
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RRSTDV8 wrote:I suppose in "normal" times, Govts would charter airlines to ferry people out, but as so many airline aircraft are sat on the ground with no crew to fly them, that would be difficult at the moment.
There’s actually a NOTAM for civilian flights for Afghanistan FIR. I doubt many would want to ignore it. It’s posted on AFGAIS.
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(G1264/21 NOTAMN
Q) OAKX/QAFAM/IV/NBO/E/000/999/
A) OAKX B) 2108160445 C) 2108180445 EST
E) KABUL AIRSPACE HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE MILITARY. ADVISE TRANSIT AIRCRAFT TO REROUTE.
ANY TRANSIT THROUGH KABUL AIRSPACE WILL BE UNCONTROLLED. SURROUNDING FIRS HAVE BEEN ADVISED.)
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FAA has another with slightly more detail.
Quote: A0630/21 NOTAMN Q) OAKX/QAFAM/IV/NBO/A/000/999/3434N/6912E/999 A) OAKX B) 2108160715 C) 2108180445 EST E) FOLLOWING NOTAM IS ISSUED ON REQUEST OF KABUL ACC. DUE SECURITY REASON KABUL ACC IS RELEASED TO MILITARY. NO ATS WILL BE AVAILABLE. AIRCRAFT TRANSITING THROUGH KABUL FIR WILL BE FLYING IN UN-CONTROLLED AIRSPACE AT THEIR OWN RISK. 1. TRAFFIC ON ATS ROUTE L750 TO CONTACT ON FREQ 134.5 MHZ AT POINT RANAH. 2. TRAFFIC ON ATS ROUTE N644 TO CONTACT ON FREQ 134.5 MHZ AT POINT LEMOD. 3. TRAFFIC ON ATS ROUTE A466 TO CONTACT ON FREQ 134.3 MHZ AT POINT AMDAR. 4. TRAFFIC ON ATS ROUTE P500 TO CONTACT ON FREQ 133.1 MHZ AT POINT MOTMO.
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| 16th Aug 2021 6:06 pm |
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Paul J.
Member Since: 09 Dec 2005
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RRSTDV8 wrote:In terms of weight lifting, the C17 has a payload of something like 77 tonnes. So call it 1000 Afghanis (assuming they're not like typical fat westerners ). No need to worry about people falling over as they'd be stood cheek-by-jowl like rush hour on the tube!
I doubt the military would want to do that with their aircraft, however.
Not far off … 800 apparently: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9...-over.html An ex-Disco3 / FFRR owner ......
..... now on the JLR electric highway.
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| 16th Aug 2021 8:31 pm |
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LT
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^  2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
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| 16th Aug 2021 9:40 pm |
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galwaygreen
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who needs sophisticated military equipment...taliban appear to be doing it with motor bikes and isusu
pickups.....if theres no resistants it just a gentle drive ....army and police phooked off
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| 16th Aug 2021 11:57 pm |
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RRSTDV8
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He inherited a "deal" from Trump's time, which won't have helped. But it certainly feels like the Yanks could have managed it better. I guess the issue is that however the US/UK/Germany pulled out, the Taliban would have just waited until the forces were out of the way and then done what they did last week.
The reality is that the local armed forces were not up to the job - doubtless many of them were just in the army in order to get money/food. I doubt they had the professional attitude of the west's forces, nor the belief that the Taliban has. They were always going to fold as soon as any pressure was applied.
One thing Biden has in his favour is that the US population in general favours pulling out of Afghanistan. So they're perhaps less likely to punish him at the polls next time - assuming he doesn't mess up something closer to home, of course. The American right are trying to pin it all on Biden but they forget that the internet is the world's memory now - every thing that Trump and the GOP said about pulling out is there to be read - even where they have deleted the web pages that specifically called for it.  Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 17th Aug 2021 5:08 pm |
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LT
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What a pratt! 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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