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18th Feb 2021 3:44 pm
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18th Feb 2021 3:55 pm
ronnie12342003
Member Since: 20 Jun 2016
Location: london
Posts: 55
i can see it not happening same as last time few years ago
17th Mar 2021 3:04 pm
terryall
Member Since: 17 Jun 2011
Location: Whitstable
Posts: 1430
No discount for residents I’m told
17th Mar 2021 3:22 pm
RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1689
flipping heck... £100 quid per day to drive into the ULEZ in an older vehicle, what happens if you have a load of stuff to shift over a few days like furniture or something between houses? Carry it on the tube ?
Kahn really is a complete
I used to work near Acton not far from Neasden Temple, doing 4 on/4 off shifts and due to shift timings public transport wasn't available. So that would have been £400 per week extra just to get to work and home again. 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
These charges are intended to be behaviour changing, not to raise revenue. Sure, some will pay for odd trips and continue to use older vehicles, but many will not and will reconsider vehicle purchases, goods movements, aggregation of transport etc.
That's kind of the point of this. Not "We want to tax you" but more "we want you to STOP what you do now, it's bad"
And they have a point. A big oneI know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
17th Mar 2021 4:45 pm
RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1689
yeh I get that, climate change and pollution is a massive problem everywhere and needs something doing.
ive never been a fan of London anyway but some people cant avoid using their own cars to get into work within the various zones, public transport isn't right for them (for various reasons), and they cant afford to upgrade to a newer ULEZ compliant car (due to higher living costs for some).
I know that if I was still working down there then I would have had no choice but to try and get a job elsewhere.
Maybe he should have put a means tested payment bracket in for those that have no choice but to use their own non compliant cars to travel daily ?2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
18th Mar 2021 8:42 am
terryall
Member Since: 17 Jun 2011
Location: Whitstable
Posts: 1430
The policy is good over time but thousands of people will be hit hard who can’t afford a new car/ second hand car. My son has a perfectly good 2012 diesel Seat Leon and has to drive all over southern GB for his freelance work. He will have to pay £12.50 per day each time he goes to work which could be 6 days a week when back to normal. There is no policy to help anyone who can’t afford a new car and it sounds odd to say you can’t afford to go to work. Yes, everyone has known about this for some time but that doesn’t mean you had any more money a year ago than now and if you did COVID took care of those savings. Like most he barely scrapes through financially now.
18th Mar 2021 8:56 am
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
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Can he not use park and ride, public transport or park nearby and cycle in? That's really what local authorities want people to do in order in improve air quality and the built up environment by providing less access to vehicles.
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18th Mar 2021 9:02 am
Dondiddy
Member Since: 26 Dec 2019
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 308
Surely the solution for the people that have to drive is to buy an older petrol (euro 4 ) car from around 2006 on IIRC ? Loads on Autotrader for less than £500 and specifically mentioning that they are ULEZ. I remember when looking for a runaround there were some lovely well kept cars for not a lot of money to be had. You could run them for a year then sell them for at least what you paid for them.
18th Mar 2021 9:29 am
terryall
Member Since: 17 Jun 2011
Location: Whitstable
Posts: 1430
Moo,
He lives 1/4 mile inside the ULEZ zone when it moves to the North and South Circular in Oct. He, like many, has to go outside the zone for work and would have to pay upon return home. There will be a bit of uproar when people like nurses and teachers who have to travel to work inside the ULEZ start paying £12.50 a day to go to work. Try telling them to buy a new car or a bike!
If sticking with his current car will cost £72 a week, budget half that towards the lower MPG of a similar priced ULEZ compliant petrol car. It's still money he needs to carve out of his budget but it's less than the price of doing nothing and he's helping clean up the air.
Life sticks us with unpleasant and unplanned costs. Having worked flat out all through the lockdowns I'm delighted that my particular line of work has been singled out for a punitive tax attack from our "progressive" and "business-orientated" government. It sucks, but there it is.
(*edit to add: I was going to suggest, tongue-in-cheek, that he park 1/4 mile away but no matter how flippant that remark, I foresee all manner of parking problems and clashes just a few streets from your son's home in the coming weeks/months)I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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18th Mar 2021 10:52 am
SN
Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
Posts: 13710
terryall wrote:
Moo,
He lives 1/4 mile inside the ULEZ zone when it moves to the North and South Circular in Oct. He, like many, has to go outside the zone for work and would have to pay upon return home. There will be a bit of uproar when people like nurses and teachers who have to travel to work inside the ULEZ start paying £12.50 a day to go to work. Try telling them to buy a new car or a bike!
Bank of mum and dad are just going to have to help him procure a ULEZ compliant car (there is an option which involves not paying right?)Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
18th Mar 2021 11:16 am
Gary_P
Member Since: 03 May 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 1564
I thought these boundaries and timetables for the ULEZ expansion were published more than 2 years ago?Gary
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