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DSL
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Alternator was fine this morning, jumped up to 14.6v pretty much straight away and then dropped down to 14.2v after few miles (through IID). Battery after being on charge for several hours yesterday read 13.8v immediately after switching off charger, then as expected dropped down to 12.8v (both from multimeter), was pretty warm when I took it off the charger.
   
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Sounds normal but it takes a lot to pull the voltage down on the alternator. A very poorly battery can be one cause, as can insufficient current from the alternator. I am seeing an increasing amount of the latter, usually a cheap fix.
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Could a new fully charged aux battery in parallel (via solenoid) with the cranking one fool the charging system into not providing enough volts to charge the crank battery?
   
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There are always oddities but in general 2 batteries connected together equalise to the same state / voltage. But there are nuances, as a good battery will take a charge more readily than a poor one. The system will sense the higher voltage achieved but this will equalise downwards again. Whilst it would be an exaggeration to say they drop to the lowest common denominator it can feel like it.

I am seeing a number of alternators struggling to cope with large system demands, even when new. More often than not the root cause is poor, degraded or failing cables causing high resistance. I've lost count as to how many vehicles with major issues have been resolved with a new battery ground lead. I guess they are of that age now.

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Battery & Quiescent Current Drain Testing

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Ground cable easy to change, bare in mind my low techie level? Looks like it's http://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/1384...over_sport , ~£46.
  

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Just had a look. One end looks well buried under the engine bay fuse box. Big Cry Big Cry
   
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Yes, easy to change. Have you checked it and found it wanting?
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Battery & Quiescent Current Drain Testing

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A not-for-profit enterprise


 
 
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All I can see of it is, where it connects to the battery then dives down behind the fuse box. I don't fancy taking that apart, not when my definition of DIY is Destroy it Yourself. Big Cry Big Cry
   
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Did a couple of V data logs on way to gym & back. 6 miles each way, started logging before cranking and stopped logging after switching engine off.

Out:

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Back 2 hours later:

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I'm happy that's what the alternator should be doing, maybe my ciggie lighter on Monday wasn't in properly and misreading. Will keep an eye on it through the IID. New battery arrives tomorrow. Thumbs Up

And, specially for dj in the spirit of no pics = didn't happen:

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That was after the 1st hour, had another hour to do after that. Mr. Green Mr. Green
   
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Bet you go all the machines at the gym Thumbs Up



















Chocolate bar machine.

Drinks machine.

Crisps machine. Whistle
  
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Wish I did, have a stick "no cash" policy for going there. Means I can't buy a latte and Danish for the drive back. Big Cry Big Cry
   
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Looks like you spilt your pint down your shirt Shocked

Laughing
   
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Thats probably dribble from watching the group behind Whistle
  
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They are normally right in front of me. It's a tough job but someone's got to do it. Mr. Green Mr. Green
   
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