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flydive
 


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marcap599 wrote:


Beh, non è che ci voglia molto a far "numero di post", basta postare a ogni discussione le solite cose:

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e via dicendo...


O link al proprio business?


marcap599 wrote:
Riccardo wrote:
Sia ben chiaro che io sono piu che altro una sanguisuga (nel senso che leggo ed imparo piu che essere utile agli altri)


per tua stessa definizione sei una "Sanguisuga" e adesso parli di quanto sei ligio e corretto nell' infinità di post che hai fatto? Meriti certamente un applauso!!


Beh, leggere ed imparare non esclude che si possa farlo rimanendo corretti, ligi ed educati. Il forum non è fatto solo di thread tecnici, se uno può dare un apporto tecnico lo fa, altrimenti posta in altre discussioni, senza che abbia meno valore.

Magari uno fa la sanguisuga per imparare ed istruirsi, semplicemente perché non è nato "imparato" come altri


marcap599 wrote:
Chi sa e fa e viene anche criticato (senza nulla di costruttivo) s'incazza parecchio.
Preferisco 9 censure ogni 10 post e restare attivo e creativo (maleducato? impiulsivo? arrogante? me li piglio volentieri!) che 1200 post da "Sanguisuga".


Si può essere attivi e creativi anche senza essere maleducati od aggressivi al punto di farsi cancellare i post.
Magari i post da sanguisuga hanno un valore per altri utenti anche senza essere per forza tecnici.

marcap599 wrote:
P.S. il link alle discussioni era dovuto, a qualcuno interessano, visto che non sono stato l'unico a cercarle appena fatto il cambiamento...


Hai poca fiducia nelle capacità dei tuoi clienti di leggere e comprendere e ritrovare i post commerciale nella massa di sezioni italiane, addirittura 3 sono.
  
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I assume there is some argument going on here that I can't understand Confused
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Mi e' stato chiesto di evitare di alimentare polemiche con te nell'interesse del forum (e continuare a segnalare eventuali problemi) ma se continui con la polemica personale che hai iniziato mi sa che non finiamo piu

marcap599 wrote:

Beh, non è che ci voglia molto a far "numero di post", basta postare a ogni discussione le solite cose:

Lungi da me l'idea di valutare il contributo sulla base del numero di post anche perche' la maggior parte dei miei post e' (o era) nella sezione inglese e non so se la leggi e soprattutto se la capisci. Indubbiamente capisci i simboli grafici (anche se non mi sembra tu li sappia usare correttamente) ma evidentemente non capisci il resto o non capisci il senso di un forum
In un forum ognuno contribuisce con quello che puo e non siamo esperti in tutto.
Ho conosciuto diverse persone del forum anche qui in Inghilterra, stabilito rapporti di amicizia ed ho imparato un po' di cose, credo che una comunita come questa serva soprattutto a quello o sbaglio?
Io non lo utilizzo per recupero spese e su questo non temo smentite, certamnete non da parte tua

marcap599 wrote:

per tua stessa definizione sei una "Sanguisuga"

Si si chiama umilta e si contrappone all'arroganza di chi e' convinto di sapere e capire tutto (spero di aiutarti anche ad arricchire il tuo vocabolario visto che in passato hai dovuto citare perfino wikipedia per crivere scurrilita senza essere censurato).

marcap599 wrote:

e adesso parli di quanto sei ligio e corretto nell' infinità di post che hai fatto? Meriti certamente un applauso!!

Tu hai sostenuto altrove che io detto le mie regole quindi valeva la pena di chiarire
Non merito applausi e' normale e bisogna che tu capisca che la maleducazione, le intemperanze e i tuoi strilli che richiedono la censura dei moderatori vanno biasimati.
Non so dove vivi ma e' cosi dovunque si chiama normale vita di relazione/sociale e cosi funzionano i forum. Se uno dissente o solleva un problema non si deve iniziare a sbraitare ed insultare

marcap599 wrote:

Bene, segnati questa (visto che ti piacciono tanto):

Chi sa e fa, lavora.
Chi sa e non fa, insegna.
Chi non sa e non fa, critica.

Wow te la sei ricordata o l'hai copiata da wikipedia?
Sono curioso di sapere in che categoria tu ti identifichi meglio
Forse ne possiamo fare una a parte:
chi e' convinto di sapere tutto e fare meglio degli altri, ottiene rimborsi spese
In fondo ti si leggeva molto poco a differenza per esempio di Diegus.
Poi e' iniziata la centralina barbon style (ed io ero stato uno dei primi ad aderire) ed ora che hai una attivita commerciale sei dovunque (sempre senza mai dimenticare di mettere link o fare riferimento a cio che offri magari criticando altri prodotti anche di altri sponsor del forum)

marcap599 wrote:

E aggiungo:
Chi sa e fa e viene anche criticato (senza nulla di costruttivo) s'incazza parecchio.
Preferisco 9 censure ogni 10 post e restare attivo e creativo (maleducato? impiulsivo? arrogante? me li piglio volentieri!) che 1200 post da "Sanguisuga".

L'importante e' sapere i propri limiti poi il resto sono scelte di vita.
Le persone che io conosco e sanno e fanno sono persone molto umili, educate ed assolutamente non arroganti, i maleducati ed arroganti di solito coprono solo le loro deficenze

Per cio che riguarda le critiche io ho proposto delle soluzione ed era stato aperta anche una discussione apposta che tu hai provveduto a rovinare con tuoi soliti attacchi (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic92386.html)

marcap599 wrote:

P.S. il link alle discussioni era dovuto, a qualcuno interessano, visto che non sono stato l'unico a cercarle appena fatto il cambiamento...

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Quindi uno riesce a trovare la sezione italiana, ad entrare in questa sezione ed a leggere il tuo messaggio ma non riesce a trovare le altre sezioni
Andiamo o credi che chi cerca i tuoi messaggi sia un deficente o stai insultanto la tua intelligenza
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Adesso direi che potremmo chiudere la polemica (tu l'hai iniziata, io la finisco) o la possiamo proseguire privatamente
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Business as usual Martin, business as usual.
Just a couple of rough edges getting smoothed out Wink
  
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Martin wrote:
I assume there is some argument going on here that I can't understand Confused


Hi Martin,
sorry but this is an unprovoked personal attack even questioning my contribution to the forum in a previously nice and friendly convesation and I cannot let it go.


Riccardo
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So why not tell me instead of continuing with an argument?

I've asked for your help and you're ignoring me... Confused
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Hi Martin,
I'm sorry for what is happening!!

Can you repeat here what was said to me privately, with what we can and what can't be done?

So we end up with all the controversy...

Thanks, Diego
 Diego  
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Riccardo wrote:
Martin wrote:
I assume there is some argument going on here that I can't understand Confused


Hi Martin,
sorry but this is an unprovoked personal attack even questioning my contribution to the forum in a previously nice and friendly convesation and I cannot let it go.


Riccardo


Well, Riccardo
you are playing with my patience from several months, have you already forgotten what you have in your signature? Why systematically turn controversy only with me? Did you not consider it as "personal attak" ? Are you with us or somewere?

Martin,
you have a mail from me. 2 days ago.
 marcap599  
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I'm going to have to do this in English, apologies.

What I have said is that the Italian section should not operate differently to the English-language sections of DISCO3.CO.UK.

Until this week all Italian language discussions have been together, so there has been no separation of different topics or commercial posts anywhere other than in the single forum.

That has now changed with the intention of making the Italian sections more like the English-language areas.

Sponsors do have their own section, and it is this that the majority of promotion and advertising should be done. New products, offers, pictures, services, etc should be posted in here and not elsewhere on the forum.

There is no ban on sponsors taking part in other discussions elsewhere, however. For example, when discussing whether a product is available, sponsors can say "yes we make/supply/fit those" and link to their own web site or thread in the Sponsors' section.

For the Italian section this could be particularly relevant as the availability of a product/service from a more local supplier could be advantageous in some cases.

However, sponsors should not use general discussion threads to excessively promote their products or be "aggressive" in what they do. It wouldn't be appropriate for a sponsor to "hijack" a thread and turn it into about them or what they offer. If a thread did end up like that I would hope that it would be reported and I would then tidy it up and move to the Sponsors' section.

The site could not exist without sponsors and things have evolved over the years as the site has got busier in order to find the correct balance between what the sponsors want from the site and what normal members want. I think we get this pretty much right.

As I've said to those involved, the English language forum has very few problems with this and for consistency this must be the model for how the Italian sections operate - I do not see any reason for special sponsors' participation rules for the Italian section.
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I am now also asking in public that those who are using this as an opportunity to attack each other on the forum to put it behind them and help me in a constructive manner to resolve this.

Some seem to think that sponsors are only allowed to post in the Sponsors' section, which they know from the English-language area is absolutely not the case. As I said before, this was not the intention of creation of the new Italian sections.

This separation of the Italian section in multiple sections was supposed to help matters, not give new opportunities for attacking those you don't agree with.
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Thank you Martin for your's.
 Diego  
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Agree Martin.

The problems derive from the issue with sponsors polluting the normal threads, thing that several members found excessive. that's what brought up the request for a separate section for commercial threads.
Now that this section is alive commercial posts should be relegated there.
Unfortunately there is still quite a bit of pollution, maybe because everything is still new and the concerned people still have to get used to it?

Also another big problem that got on the nerves of few posters is the somewhat aggressive attitude, that a couple of times went so far as to insult and attack others, of one member towards other people, especially when his products, his posts and his attitude is somehow criticized.
More than one member is quite a bit turned off by that.

Hopefully thing will settle soon enough.
  
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Thank-you Martin for reporting this also officially and for clarifing that

I hope the people will also clearly understand the meaning of this sentence which obviously requires some interpretation (and which is probably the key issue here leading also to a request to have separate sections from forum members)

Quote:
However, sponsors should not use general discussion threads to excessively promote their products or be "aggressive" in what they do. It wouldn't be appropriate for a sponsor to "hijack" a thread and turn it into about them or what they offer. If a thread did end up like that I would hope that it would be reported and I would then tidy it up and move to the Sponsors' section.


and it is also worth to recall the rule c for commercial posting which applies also to sponsors

Quote:
c. Sponsoring companies cannot comment on products or services from competing companies whatsoever, nor can they compare their offerings to those from other sponsors, either publicly or via private messages. It is up to potential customers to compare offerings from sponsors.


For the english version of the forum honestly sometimes I do not even think that a separate comercial section would be required.

I understand your difficulty to follow the discussions here and I hope you will not have to intervene (at least not too often) Wink
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With these changes and the discussion that's gone on there will be some adjusting, so please let things settle down and move forwards. If you see something you think is a problem don't hesitate to contact me Smile
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Martin wrote:
I am now also asking in public that those who are using this as an opportunity to attack each other on the forum to put it behind them and help me in a constructive manner to resolve this.

Some seem to think that sponsors are only allowed to post in the Sponsors' section, which they know from the English-language area is absolutely not the case. As I said before, this was not the intention of creation of the new Italian sections.

This separation of the Italian section in multiple sections was supposed to help matters, not give new opportunities for attacking those you don't agree with.


I also hope that you have also adopted this quote!!

As we all do, I can put links to any product, including those of my company

Translate: If I'm wrong tell me something!!!
Traduzione: Se ho sbagliato qualcosa ditemelo!!!

Martin wrote:
Ora sto chiedendo, in pubblico, che per le persone che usano questi argomenti per attaccarsi l'uno contro l'altro, abbiano l'opportunità per sotterrare l'ascia di guerra e che mi aiutino a risolvere la questione in modo costruttivo.

Alcuni pensano che gli sponsor abbiano il permesso di postare solo nella zona riservata e che io abbia creato la zona "promotori" per questo motivo. Non è così, come detto prima questa non era l'intenzione per la creazione delle nuove sezioni.

Questa separazione avrebbe dovuto aiutare a risolvere le cose e non dare nuova opportunità per attaccarsi.


Io spero che si sia capita anche questa citazione!!!

Come tutti fanno, anche noi, possiamo mettere link a qualunque società esterna, compresa la nostra, in qualunque post!
 Diego  
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