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IanT599
Member Since: 24 Jun 2012
Location: Wolverhampton
Posts: 600
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Hi all,
Not sure if these tyres exist but I'm looking for a combined winter and A/T tyre.
A tyre that has the grip on the road of a winter tyre
But also the grip for off road and the strength off road.
Looking at 18" sizes.
Thanks Ian
No longer a LR owner
2018 BMW M240i
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2004 TD5 ES - Gone
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 28th Jul 2012 9:36 am |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
Location: Catherington, Hampshire.
Posts: 10617
 
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General Grabber ATs - get them from Forum Sponsor Andy @ AJS
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1959 MGA roadster - 1.9L Peter Burgess Engine - 5 speed gearbox
Past LRs - Multiple FFRs, Discos & a Series I - some petrol, some diesel,
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| 28th Jul 2012 10:18 am |
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Captain Slow
Member Since: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Herts
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i agree - v good in snow. AJS  Prince Harry's D3: G4 factory equipped D3 - expo rack, winch, roof lights, ladder, active locking rear diff, RAI, Melville & Moon seat covers, General Grabber ATs/ Goodyear Duratrac
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| 28th Jul 2012 6:59 pm |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
Posts: 19689
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How many times 
Good in snow != (does not equal) winter tyre
If you want a winter rated (not just M&S) tyre that is also good off road, you may want to look at the Good Year Duratrac. AT and ATR are good in snow but neither are a patch on a winter rated tyre on cold, wet roads. this is based on me driving 150000 miles in D3s on MT, AT and winter rubber in temperatures from -21°C to +41°C I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 28th Jul 2012 10:34 pm |
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IanT599
Member Since: 24 Jun 2012
Location: Wolverhampton
Posts: 600
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Just to expand on my initial post.
I'm looking to have two sets of wheels
1 for normal road use and caravan use which will be purely road tyres.
2 for winter road driving on uk roads in the snow and slush but also hoping to use these tyres as our off road and green laning at weekends.
I've heard all about how winter tyres provide more grip on the roads in snow conditions.
Do A/T tyres provide better grip than the average road tyre for winter road driving or is the winter tyre far superior?
Would a winter tyre be as good off road and do they have the strength of the A/T tyre for the abuse it'd receive?
Thanks for the comments so far Ian
No longer a LR owner
2018 BMW M240i
2011 FFRR 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography - Gone
2004 TD5 ES - Gone
2008 TDV6 G4 -Sold and missed very much
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| 28th Jul 2012 11:16 pm |
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J@mes
Member Since: 10 Nov 2008
Location: Bomber County
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I think you are going about it all wrong to be honest, you are not going to get a dedicated "cold weather" compound tyre which is going to be as good at off roading as an AT tyre as they are primarlily road based treads.
If I were you I would have one set of wheels for day to day and greenlaning use fitted with the Pirelli Scorpion ATR tyre, which is probably the closest AT tyre to a road tyre but still provides excellent performance in both road and off road conditions, and then have a set of tyres fitted with a winter/ cold weather tyre of your choice.
The ATR and GG AT are NOT winter tyres, they may have the M+S letters on them (Mud and Snow) but that doesn't mean they are the same compound as a winter tyre.
Having driven my D3 with Grabber AT2's down an iced up road and then driven a new G-Wagen with Pirelli Winter tyres on I can tell you the difference was incredible, the winter tyres gave the confidence of a dry road on a sunny day.
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| 29th Jul 2012 6:15 am |
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AJS4X4
Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Surrey
Posts: 3224
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At the present time the General AT tyre ticks most boxes. Very many happy customers.
Feel free to call us and we will be happy to help with your choice of tyre.
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| 29th Jul 2012 6:58 am |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
Posts: 19689
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IanT599 wrote:
Do A/T tyres provide better grip than the average road tyre for winter road driving or is the winter tyre far superior?
Winter tyre, on road, is far superior to any non-winter rated AT once the mercury drops. AT is better than normal road rubber but nowhere near as good as winter rubber.
IanT599 wrote:Would a winter tyre be as good off road and do they have the strength of the A/T tyre for the abuse it'd receive?
Thanks for the comments so far
Sadly the winter road tyres are utter poo offroad. The new GY Duratrac is pretty unique in being a MT/AT crossover (not as aggressive as MTs of old, while being true winter rated. AT and ATR are good, but the Duratrac spec suggests better. Also depends on your rim size as the GYis only available in 19 fitment at present and, being new in that size, is in short supply.
As Andy says, Grabber AT has many happy customers, and if you're on 18" rims, along with the ATR offers best choice, ut it's still not winter rated. I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 29th Jul 2012 7:20 am |
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chalky
Member Since: 22 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 3145
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General Grabber AT's
I agree they are excellent in the Snow
Not specifically a Winter rated tyre but never the less they are very good substitute.
If you are definately requiring X2 sets of tyres:
Road:- http://www.toyo.co.uk/tire/pattern/proxes-t1-sport-suv
Winter:- http://www.dunlopwintertyres.co.uk/
I think you should consider a third for Off Road as has been said above the Winter tyres will be utterly useless on rocks and in the gloop ! Only dead fish go with the Flow !
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| 29th Jul 2012 11:06 am |
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MarkOne
Member Since: 23 Jul 2011
Location: County Antrim
Posts: 3345
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How much does a set of general grabbers affect MPG compaired to say a set of michelin road tyres?
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| 29th Jul 2012 11:44 am |
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mrszymon
Member Since: 17 Apr 2012
Location: London
Posts: 425
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No difference to MPG that I could achieve. I went from GG AT to road tyres and then back to AT's after seeing no MPG improvement.
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| 29th Jul 2012 12:16 pm |
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MarkOne
Member Since: 23 Jul 2011
Location: County Antrim
Posts: 3345
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Good to hear thank you. 
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| 29th Jul 2012 6:18 pm |
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RRR207
Member Since: 12 Oct 2011
Location: Bristol
Posts: 372
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The GG AT are an awesome tyre.
I noticed no road noise & change in MPG when I had them fitted.
Supplied & fitted by AJS who were very helpful & did an excellent job.
I think the main thing to remember is to drive to the conditions, no tyre is perfect, it relys on the person behind the wheel to know theirs & their vehicles limitations. Nick
2010 D4 ....... now gone and replaced with a 05RRV Autobiography
Member of Wessex4x4Response, (Bristol team)
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| 2nd Aug 2012 8:34 am |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
Location: Catherington, Hampshire.
Posts: 10617
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I agree entirely with RR207, supplied & fitted by AJS, delighted both with the tyres & their service.
No perceived change in MPG or road noise.
NJSS Am I Gammon or Woke ? - I neither know nor care.
2016 Discovery 4 Landmark
2011 Mercedes Benz SL350 (R230)
1973 MG B GT V8 - 3.9L John Eales engine, 5 speed R380 gearbox, since 1975.
1959 MGA roadster - 1.9L Peter Burgess Engine - 5 speed gearbox
Past LRs - Multiple FFRs, Discos & a Series I - some petrol, some diesel,
none Electric or H2 fuel cell - yet.
There are 10 types of people in this world: Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.
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| 2nd Aug 2012 8:42 am |
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AJS4X4
Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Surrey
Posts: 3224
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| 2nd Aug 2012 9:12 am |
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