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We will all have to agree to disagree then
I know you can't sell DVDs on this site,and I agree with that, but I do not see the harm in posting links to other sites that give the members the choice of buying it if they wish . After all 2011 discs at superb prices, and before you say poor quality and they don't work they do I have been told
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1st Feb 2012 6:13 pm
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On a programme I watched last night people didn't see the harm in looting either ...and there are some that don't see the harm in ordering illegally made number plates
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1st Feb 2012 6:28 pm
ruggedpeak
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I think the issue is that regardless of what view one takes, the site owner can get into trouble for promoting this stuff.
Most of the time nothing will happen but for all we know Navteq might suddenly get the raging hump and decide they've had enough of people stealing off them and get a firm of lawyers to start firing off cease and desist letters, or Land Rover get the hump etc etc.
I would guess Martin doesn't need the grief? I certainly wouldn't, and we've seen what a bunch of the record industry have been over piracy and nailing poor, innocent fluffy music thieves Tony
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1st Feb 2012 6:30 pm
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I don't see what all the fuss is over pirated nav discs, I can only use them as a coffee mug coaster. Ah the joys of a peasant level D3 & tomtom on the iDog&Bone.
Copies are not always as good quality as the original though!
1st Feb 2012 6:40 pm
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A copied DVD is a bit for bit copy. It is an exact binary copy, digitally indistinguishable from the original.
If someone chose to spend ten of thousands to recreate the exact same functionality as the official sat nav DVD but from their own data, software and tools then that is not a bit for bit copy. It is a compatible part, but not a copy, and would be legal (assuming that any methods needed to create your own disc did not also infringe patent law).
As an example; in the early days of PCs IBM wrote the first BIOS. Compaq when making the first clone could not copy the IBM BIOS and resell it. A bit for bit copy would have been illegal. They had to fund and develop their own BIOS which recreated the exact same functionality but based upon their own source code (IP). It cost them a year and $1million to do it.
There is a key difference here between the usage so far of the word "copy".
1st Feb 2012 6:53 pm
ruggedpeak
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Stuarts the man wrote:
A copy is a copy surely, just because the lr logo has changed slightly it is still an infringement.
But the law around this is very clear, you can copy things as long as there are sufficient differences from the original to make it distinguishable. These do not have to be huge, or even noticeable to the untrained eye, and the extent and type of difference required is pretty clear from case law (see supermarkets with own brand products that look like real brands)
I haven't seen the flaps concerned (oo err) but as long Land Rover's IP is not being breached there is no issue legally. Whereas downloading unaltered code is illegal. So flaps OK, cracked satnav not.Tony
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the record industry have been over piracy and nailing poor, innocent fluffy music thieves 
