DG
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DSL wrote:
Also tried a trolley jack from side on gravel drive but the base did not move & the "cup" was being pulled out from under the chassis. Any suggestions on best way to use a trolley jack in these conditions??
Be aware that when the motor goes up on one side the greater degree of arc occurs. Trolley jacks adjust for this by moving on their wheels as the vehicle is raised....other types of jack require care when near to their fully extended position in this regard.
The air jack is the safest form of raising the vehicle that I have witnessed so far  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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 9th Oct 2006 5:49 pm |
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THUB
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I have never liked the scissor type jacks. I purchased a couple of Land Rover Hydraulic jacks, TD5 type or earlier from Equicar (?) in Wolver hampton. Then took the supplied jack and the LR jack to a metalworking Co (blacksmith) and he made a top identical to the supplied jack but with a box form so that the new top is a tight push fit onto the "Y" yoke of the TD5 jack seems to work ago, but if ground clearance is a problem you always drive on to the spare wheel to get the initial clearance.
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| 9th Oct 2006 8:17 pm |
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d3matt
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dickgriff wrote:Be aware that when the motor goes up on one side the greater degree of arc occurs. Trolley jacks adjust for this by moving on their wheels as the vehicle is raised....other types of jack require care when near to their fully extended position in this regard. The air jack is the safest form of raising the vehicle that I have witnessed so far
This is why I wouldn't use a bottle jack - at the heights a D3 has to be raised, I don't think they are any more stable than the LR scissor jack (although much stronger). A trolley jack is the easiest and safest for home/workshop, but if you want something to use when out and about, the air bag is fantastic and will work in any situation.
You can get cheaper air bag jacks (see eBay items below). Although they are not the same quality as Simon's & Iain's, they may be alright for the occasional use. However, I think Simon said that they Draper one may not have enough height.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Draper-Inflatable-Ai...dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-TECH-VEHICLE-AIR...dZViewItem Matt
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| 9th Oct 2006 11:32 pm |
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Slimer
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Cheap Draper one will not lift a D3, it's not even close to being up to the job The End
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| 10th Oct 2006 7:23 am |
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jkp
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Simon, do you have the link to the website that supplied yours. I've done a search and cannot find it.
Do they do a members discount??
Thanks.
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| 10th Oct 2006 9:46 am |
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lr1
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I just do not see the need to lift the car all the way up, having to take up all the suspension travel, just to change a wheel.
Place a small 2 tonne trolley jack under the lower suspension point (close to the wheel), this only requires the wheel to be lifted 150mm to allow it to be taken off. The actual forces on the suspension point are low as most of the cars weight is actually taken up by the other three wheels.
I have removed front and rear wheels using this method as it is much safer (than using the supplied jack). If I did not think the D3's lower suspension point could take this small vertical loading I would be driving a different vehicle.
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| 10th Oct 2006 10:36 am |
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captain_sugar
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lr1 wrote:Place a small 2 tonne trolley jack under the lower suspension point (close to the wheel), this only requires the wheel to be lifted 150mm to allow it to be taken off.
How do you avoid that the wheel that you want to lift wants to stay grounded as if you were driving all road?
Do you lock the car in access level?
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| 10th Oct 2006 12:20 pm |
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lr1
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When the tyre is flat you do indeed have less clearance to fit the jack under the lower suspension joint. (if the tyre is not flat then the jack does easly fit in)
I just raised the suspension, the car lifted on the three wheels, the flat tyre wheel also actually lifted enough to give me sufficient clearance to slide the jack in. Job done.
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| 10th Oct 2006 12:46 pm |
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captain_sugar
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ok, this is clear, but if you then lift the body, the wheel stays grounded untill the body is lifted about 50cm, no?
In my eyes the small 2T bottle jack can't help you 
unless
- you put the jack under the arm of the wheel
- or block in some way the articulation of the car
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| 10th Oct 2006 1:14 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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Anyone know if the New Tech air jack at £16.99, as per ebay link in D3Matt's above reply, will work on a D3?
I'm not a cheapskate, but for something I'm hopefully going to very rarely (if ever) use, £16.99 seems preferable to spending £200+.
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| 10th Oct 2006 1:55 pm |
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AndrewS
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I appreciate that the scissor jack is not the best jack for all situations, however it does work quite well is compact and stowes away safe. Whatever jack you chose you will find its limitations at some point. When 4x4ing check what your mates are taking and get whatever they ain't got, between you you should be able to assist the stranded vehicle In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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| 10th Oct 2006 1:56 pm |
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LT
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It states for single exhaust vehicles. Is there a way around that with the D3's twin system? guess there must be.
Looking at the pictures of it lifting the BMW 5 series, it looks as if it's possibly not going to be big enough.
Worth risking for £16.99 though as I could use it on my other cars.
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| 10th Oct 2006 2:29 pm |
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dylansdad
Member Since: 04 Apr 2006
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these guys are not far from me. I will see if I can get over there and get them to try one on my D3.
I rekon a large cork will do the trick on the second exhaust problem 2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
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| 10th Oct 2006 2:38 pm |
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