MARKW
Member Since: 29 Aug 2008
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I assume that the Military is the same as civvy on this. I put my blokes threough C+E and they get B+E by default. So if you have any intention of going onto the big stuff then that's the way to go.
Not sure what "G" is but "H" is tracked vehicle. Or it was when I was learning to drive 432 and CVR(T). Surprising thing was, when I did my tracks licence you could go from nothing to drivng a tank. With no B entitlement. No road sense. Thankfully now it's all changed and you need the B before you do the H HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE
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character
Member Since: 31 Dec 2007
Location: wiltshire
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That's right, if you take the "higher" catagory, you'll get the lower one automatically. Likewise with C1+E (107 code next to it), if you then take the test for C1+E (without the code, ie Gross mass of 12000kg) you'll get the other catagories updated for passenger carrying vehicles 
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| 27th Jan 2010 10:30 am |
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mzplcg
Member Since: 23 Jun 2009
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character wrote:
The idea of the "Drivers CPC" which is totally different to "CPC" (which is for transport managers) is to "harmonise" the abilities of drivers of goods vehicles, whether light or large and the licence catagories throughout the EU (currently over 103 different varients throughout member states).
Obviously you would not have a need for the heavier catagories (which is primarily aimed at "goods vehicles") anyway if you don't use them so why would you miss them! The cost of the initial first "drivers CPC" module ranges between £80 - £100 depending on where you are in the country.
Regards the "medical" if you retain the higher catagories, you'll have a medical every 5 years
Got me first "Drivers CPC" module on Tuesday, £100 plus vat including a buffet lunch 
Ah, now I get it. Strange though. I already have a document which says I can drive lorries - called a C+E driving licence Had to pass a test and everything to get it 
I keep the heavy stuff as it's my plan B incase I get made redundant or something. Have used it to go on the agencies while I find another job.
Medical I have no issue with as I have a class 2 aviation medical every 2 years.
Oh, the modules.....that explains it all then. Nothing of any value, just another Govt scheme to empty my wallet Christ on a bike, will it never end ?? 
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| 27th Jan 2010 12:47 pm |
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character
Member Since: 31 Dec 2007
Location: wiltshire
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talking of bikes..................you want to see the VERY BIG shake up in motorbike catagories and age limits/period between each bike size 
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| 28th Jan 2010 12:22 am |
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mzplcg
Member Since: 23 Jun 2009
Location: Gone
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Nooooooooo. For the love of everything holy, are they going to mess with my bike licence as well? Suppose I'll have to do no end of stupid courses to maintain that as well now.
How long before I have to do a course to take a dump in safety ??
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| 28th Jan 2010 10:16 pm |
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character
Member Since: 31 Dec 2007
Location: wiltshire
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funny you should say that..........
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| 28th Jan 2010 11:40 pm |
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ROG.
Member Since: 04 May 2012
Location: LEICESTER
Posts: 12
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Perhaps I can help as I have extensive knowledge on B & B+E licence towing issues
http://www.carsplusplus.com/specs2009/land...tdv6_s.php
If it is the model in the above link then it has a GVW of 2708 kgs
Any trailer above a plated MAM weight of 792 kgs would require a B+E licence
For B licence towing -
The GVW of the towing vehicle added to the plated MAM of the trailer must not be more than 3500
The Trailer plated MAM must not be more than hte unladen/kerb weight of the towing vehicle.
Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained
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| 4th May 2012 11:26 am |
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ROG.
Member Since: 04 May 2012
Location: LEICESTER
Posts: 12
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Drivers with a B only licence can go directly to LGV C and then LGV C+E
The driver CPC is only for those who are driving LGVs commrecially
The Driver CPC and the driving licence are seperate issues
Any LGV driver who lets the medical lapse can simply pass the D4 medical at any time in the future and get back the LGV categories
Any LGV driver who decides not to get the driver CPC by the required date can, at any time in the future, complete all 35 hours of the periodic dcpc to then be allowed to drive LGVs commercially
Those drivers who do not have any LGV category on their licence and want to drive LGVs commercially will have to pass the initial driver cpc for LGV and that will last for 5 years from the pass date
I was a LGV instructor from 2005 to 2008 and when this Driver CPC came out I made an in-depth investigation into what exactly was required so my knowledge on this is very good Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained
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| 4th May 2012 11:43 am |
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zarnd
Member Since: 23 Apr 2010
Location: Kent
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ROG. wrote:Perhaps I can help as I have extensive knowledge on B & B+E licence towing issues
http://www.carsplusplus.com/specs2009/land...tdv6_s.php
If it is the model in the above link then it has a GVW of 2708 kgs
Any trailer above a plated MAM weight of 792 kgs would require a B+E licence
For B licence towing -
The GVW of the towing vehicle added to the plated MAM of the trailer must not be more than 3500
The Trailer plated MAM must not be more than hte unladen/kerb weight of the towing vehicle.
Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained
It isn't GVW of the towing vehicle, it is the MAM of the towing vehicle plus the MAM of the trailer must be 3500KG or less. I was doing it a couple of years ago and gave up as I now have no need for towing.
cheers Alex
2007 D3 TDV6 HSE
2009 Caterham Supersport
2005 FFRR Vogue SE 4.2 Supercharged
2004 SL55 AMG
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| 4th May 2012 1:10 pm |
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leeds
Member Since: 30 Aug 2010
Location: West Yorkshire
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J@mes wrote:Alternatively, he could put L plates on and have his dad sit next to him!
Sorry but I think you will find this option is illegal!
Just think of the safety issue amongst other things Mum and Dad have B + E on grand dads rights and have NEVER towed. Would you want them to supervise someone who has not got a towing licence?
We went through this and there was a law passed 06/07 time which basically says you can not supervise a provisional driver if you have not PASSED the actual test yourself and then there is a 2 year(?) period after passing the relevant test.
YES it can be extremely difficult to get 100% accurate easily understood information.
Brendan
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| 5th May 2012 9:52 am |
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ROG.
Member Since: 04 May 2012
Location: LEICESTER
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It is 100% legal
Many got confused with the new laws that came into force in April 2010
Those new rules only affected vocational categoreies and B+E is not vocational
The categories affected are C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E for those who got them free with a pre 1997 licence Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained
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| 5th May 2012 10:00 am |
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ROG.
Member Since: 04 May 2012
Location: LEICESTER
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From: DVLA Email[mailto:donotreply.contactcentre@dvla.gsi.gov.uk]
Sent: 05 January 2012 08:31
To: ************
Subject: Re: Email DVLA - Drivers Form 14 (KMM2135528V52254L0KM)
Dear *********
Thank you for your email received on 3/1/12.Your email reference number is 808399.
In order to drive a vehicle and trailer under category B + E you must be supervised by a driverwith the full B + E entitlement.
This can be a driver who passed a driving test before 1997 and holds full B + E.
The trailer can be laden.
You must display L plates.
I hope this helps.
Do not reply to this email. Ifyou wish to contact us again about this response then please use our ReplyForm or copy and paste the following URL in to your browser:
https://emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/...ivers.html
When filling in the form theemail reference number 808399 will be required.
Regards
L Hodgetts
Customer Enquiries Group
DVLA Trailer towing:- B and B+E licence rules explained
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| 5th May 2012 10:20 am |
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AAA.Happy.Disco1.Fan
Member Since: 04 Nov 2010
Location: West Yorks
Posts: 2895
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Q E D, ROG.
AAA 
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| 5th May 2012 8:40 pm |
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