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basically on dry sand the spade type will act like a plough (plow) pin type anchors will stay put due to the depth of penetration into moist sand and the spread of load
we trialled both types in Afganistan and the pin type won every time (if you scan for landmines first ) even with the extended deployment / recovery time
13th Feb 2006 9:58 pm
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IMHO the pin type will win all times they may take a bit longer to deploy but for solo recovery they will work every time. I have a pin type in my off-raod vehicle never had cause to use it but after trying both types this was my prefered choice.
14th Feb 2006 1:22 am
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The pull pals and variations on that theme are ok for occassional, not in a great hurry, use, where the ground conditions are suitable. Ideally deep soil or peat bog. No good on really solid stone surfaces, or where the soil is shallow. I find that the solution which suits the widest variety of terrains is simply 3 large angle iron pins connected to each other with rope or strops.
In deep sand, we once had success with the age old method of burying the spare tyre on its side with the winch rope looped around it. Bloody hard work though (and the tide was coming in at the time )Disco 4 TDV6HSE
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14th Feb 2006 9:30 pm
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I think if you speak to Hodgesaargh, who is on this forum he will be able to manufacture them for you. He supplies me with specialist 4x4 gear. Not only that, he can make them to your specification and size to fit the cars. He makes most things from security posts to trailers and is a Landy nut as well of course.
15th Feb 2006 8:15 am
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15th Feb 2006 10:36 pm
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Hodgesaargh, the best anchor for soft ground is the 2 x 3' metal strips joined by the metal ring. Each strip has 3 holes and 3 pins in it. Folds away nicely and is very effective. Think you made some for us a couple of years back, cost effective too. Do you have any pictures or drawings.
16th Feb 2006 2:49 pm
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16th Feb 2006 3:03 pm
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like this one?
The pins look a bit on the skinny side to me and are likely to bend if you come across a stone or two whilst driving in.
BTW, a post driver is much better than a sledge hammer
16th Feb 2006 3:28 pm
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No when Hodgesaargh makes anchors, he makes them. The pins are not made out of soft smooth metal, but from reinforcing rods that are used in concrete. I am sure he will post a picture at some time with a silly price as he usually does. If you take a look on the Datatool site you will see he is a manufacturer for their security approved products. As for the post rammer, yes he makes them too. I have two in my shed if anyone needs one. Some of his other goods are on my temporary web site.
16th Feb 2006 5:05 pm
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BN wrote:
As for the post rammer, yes he makes them too.
Don't the police use these to make an 'immediate entrance' into scrotes houses? Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
16th Feb 2006 5:11 pm
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No doubt H makes them as well
16th Feb 2006 5:23 pm
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Rebar pins won't be any better for the same diameter, the best one's ive used are hex. bar with forged eyes for recovery
Re: the 'master key'........... s'pose it could be used for that
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into moist sand and the spread of load
) even with the extended deployment / recovery time
s'pose it could be used for that 
