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MacLeod 313
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I thought ALL DIESEL vehicles to make them Euro 5 compliant they need ADBLU, the additional product is a byproduct of cattle urine, sprayed into the combustion with diesel making the burn cleaner and more powerful without as much fuel needed.
so if LR were to do this, this would mean another ADBLU tank to be fitted, I would imagine that would need to be a 30litre tank to be of any use. Additionally if ADBLU and EURO 5 were present on a Disco, then the Congestion charge would be invalid as they are exempt.
And also No fuel station has ADBLU, nor has the intention to roll it out, its only available to bulk buy, or at truck dealerships.
Sorry to be a sceptic, but cannot see the TDV6 being a Euro 5 without it. 
http://www.adbleu.com/index.html
I know the link describes trucks n buses, but it is the only way to meet Euro 5 on all diesels
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simonsi
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MacLeod 313 wrote:I thought ALL DIESEL vehicles to make them Euro 5 compliant they need ADBLU...
And also No fuel station has ADBLU, nor has the intention to roll it out, its only available to bulk buy, or at truck dealerships.
Sorry to be a sceptic, but cannot see the TDV6 being a Euro 5 without it.
http://www.adbleu.com/index.html
I know the link describes trucks n buses, but it is the only way to meet Euro 5 on all diesels
Haven't heard of this but from what you have written neither the TDV8 or the new 3.0 will be either if they need it and it isn't available to buy 
Or have I mis-read and they don't/won't need this magical gunk???
Shame it relies on anything to do with cattle as they are the biggest produces of greenhouse gas on the planet!  Cheers
Simon
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| 28th Dec 2008 4:43 pm |
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simon
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Commercial vehicles maybe not private vehicles. Some manufacturers are announcing / launching Adblue engines, but its not a requirement AFAIK.
Either way, the new engines coming from JLR look to be very clean compared to the current ones.
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| 28th Dec 2008 4:52 pm |
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MacLeod 313
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Its actually a GREAT product to be honest, the exhaust gases are virtually NIL All current trucks are Euro5, and working on Euro6 run on this, its virtually a clear liquid with no odor and tinted Blue obviously.
Your Euro5 vehicle can run without it, when the Adblu tanks runs dry it knocks off approx 25% power, not to prevent damage, but to keep the Eco's happy. And lets face it, 25% power reduction means a swift refill.
I am used to this stuff in my truck, but doubt it will make it to production on the next Discovery on Euro5, it will probably remain static on Euro3, possibly Euro4 with an emissions catchment filter meaning harmful clogging and the exhaust box needing to be replaced in a service schedule.
No other motor manufacturer is considering the Adblu for the car driver, so doubt LR will especially when the Petrol Stations have'nt tried YET
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| 28th Dec 2008 4:54 pm |
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DG
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MacLeod 313 wrote:Sorry to be a septic
Please don't apologise ...we understand
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| 28th Dec 2008 4:57 pm |
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simon
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MacLeod 313 wrote:No other motor manufacturer is considering the Adblu for the car driver, so doubt LR will especially when the Petrol Stations have'nt tried YET
How about Merc, BMW, Audi and VW for starter They have engines on the way using urine in the same or similar systems... maybe of their own design so they don't pay licensing fees.
And I doubt that all trucks are that clean TBH, only the new ones
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:03 pm |
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Martin
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AdBlue is only being used by trucks (lorries) and some applications in the USA. 06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:04 pm |
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MacLeod 313
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DG  , and Simon is right, its not compulsory YET for Adblu. I started training as a Diesel fitter when tis 1st came out, and promptly gave it up after erm not taking instuctions from the foreman well and responding un-gentlemanly
I digress. I was on the team at Channel Commercials for the introduction of this, and indeed I asked whether the Car would get it, promptly told NO by the company that has the sole licence to produce - ADBLU.
Its a shame though, the tax banding would decrease, CO2 would too, but I guess knowbody wants to develope it further. Granted the LR's can fit all the extra kit needed, not alot though, just a extra tank. But can the Mini diesel, Yaris, fiesta etc...........
There would be hell to pay by the Eco's on free congestion for a LR and not a super mini 
I am in favour of a Euro5, buts thats current. I would like to see Euro6 in a Disco, but that is Adblu and a Exhaust filter thats basically a silencer that cloggs the minute after its built. with trucks on a 6 week service schedule, they are changed every 18 weeks as a matter of course. Could we afford that 
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:11 pm |
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Martin
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MacLeod 313 wrote:...with an emissions catchment filter meaning harmful clogging and the exhaust box needing to be replaced in a service schedule
Incorrect. DPFs don't require replacement once filled, the engine management has various strategies to empty it as you drive, or request a manual regeneration and clear it out. It's not a device to shy away from.... 06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:14 pm |
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MacLeod 313
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True Martin, not disagreeing with you or Simon, hence why I think the new D3 will stay as Euro3, too much development and not enough support in the UK to bring it up to EURO5 or 6........................In London now the LOW emission zone really clobbers the trucks on less than Euro3, and its set to get stricter next year.
Seems the HGV manufacturers are leading the way in cleanliness, espeacilly Scania.
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:15 pm |
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MacLeod 313
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Martin, thats odd. Our Merc's need replacing, and mine is a euro4, we have euro5 but not mine yet
Must be Manufacturer divisionalised. I stand corrected.
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:18 pm |
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simon
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I don't think there is any requirement for manufacturers to use Adblue for Euro6 compliance. Its just one of many technologies that could help them achieve the low CO2 figures demanded by the specification.
Congestion charging would be based on another requirement if emissions went to even zero... they will use it to tax us where they can.
ADBLU (???) maybe a tradamark for a particular use of Adblue, and your old company may well have had exclusive on that particular application.
And manufacturers are developing it further, why would those I mention be launching vehicles using the technology ??
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:20 pm |
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simon
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Oh and all the Euro4,5,6 etc etc are legal requirements that HAVE to be met for new vehicles sold after a certain date (set in the spec). LR will have to comply or not be able to sell another vehicle ever again 
I think you need to read up on it a bit more
Not that I am an expert by any means whatsoever.
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:22 pm |
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MacLeod 313
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Well agreeing and not disagreeing. I am a fan of the technology it brings, and doubt it will make it to a LR, especailly as it TATA owned, and cattle urine is a delacacy in their parts. Why waste it in a engine
I will grab my coat
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| 28th Dec 2008 5:25 pm |
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simon
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