Member Since: 29 Oct 2023
Location: Brackley
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Engine Help please!
My first post here and a short story! My Daughter owns a 2013 Discovery 4, 3.0 with around 160,000 miles. She was planning a trip and used a small local garage to do a lubrication service, the following day an engine rattle was heard so she promptly returned it for advice,,,
And was told it’s going to be a £8,000 replacement engine as the big-ends have gone!,,, although I am a retired mechanic I’m unable to assist her,,,,
I’ve listened to the noise and it sounds like a timing chain / tensioner issue, so looking for advice here. She lives in Northamptonshire, Weedon, nr Daventry, although it runs I don’t think it should be driven far,,,
Any suggestions, advice please!,,, to get the vehicle fixed, using experienced repairers,,, I have a friend with a recovery truck who can deliver.
Thanks for your time and suggestions, on behalf of Ruth and myself, appreciated.
29th Oct 2023 3:50 pm
rrhool
Member Since: 28 Aug 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 4455
If it was all fine before the oil change (I assume that's what you mean) it is possibly more than coincidence that it failed the next day.
I think D4 and D3 have the same oil filter arrangement, it is possible to incorrectly install the oil filter, rendering it useless.
Others will confirm if that's the case or not.Richard
D3 SE 2007. Triumph 2.5Pi 1973. Ferguson TEA20 1948.
Discovery 2 4.0 ES 2001- Gone
Discovery 1 300Tdi ES '95 - Gone
Range Rover Classic '79 - Gone
29th Oct 2023 4:42 pm
georgi UK
Member Since: 29 Oct 2023
Location: Brackley
Posts: 9
Richard, thanks for quick reply!,, can you please expand on the filter, how can it be fitted wrong?!,,,
Yes the car was fine and I agree with you totally, but because the garage had the car the following day it’s impossible to know what went on,,,,
My first thoughts were incorrect oil was used?? But really now it’s a case of fixing it,,, thanks again.
29th Oct 2023 4:52 pm
eightfoot
Member Since: 12 Apr 2015
Location: sunny essex
Posts: 783
rrhool wrote:
If it was all fine before the oil change (I assume that's what you mean) it is possibly more than coincidence that it failed the next day.
I think D4 and D3 have the same oil filter arrangement, it is possible to incorrectly install the oil filter, rendering it useless.
Others will confirm if that's the case or not.
you cant install wrong like the d3, sorry cant offer any advice on the rattle but i would be going back to the garage that changed the oil and finding out what spec oil they used and how much they put inplease excuse any grammer/punctuation mistakes,i'm thick,thankyou
current vehicles 2005 d3 2013 d4
29th Oct 2023 5:03 pm
rrhool
Member Since: 28 Aug 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 4455
I've just looked up the oil filters for both D3 and D4, I think I'm wrong about the similarity. D3 has a locating peg on the filter that needs to be oriented correctly. Perhaps D4 doesn't have that.
I which case, I don't know.
Even if they used the wrong oil, I wouldn't have thought one day would damage the engine.Richard
D3 SE 2007. Triumph 2.5Pi 1973. Ferguson TEA20 1948.
Discovery 2 4.0 ES 2001- Gone
Discovery 1 300Tdi ES '95 - Gone
Range Rover Classic '79 - Gone
29th Oct 2023 5:07 pm
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10547
These do have a small timing chain within the heads, between the cams.
So if your ear is good, work out which side.
Bit of a faff to get to them. Injectors out. Fuel rail off. Fuel rail bracket off. Passenger side requires more.
You’re doing quite well to put 160K on one of these engines. (Yeah ok there are ones out there with more. Blar blar)
29th Oct 2023 6:00 pm
georgi UK
Member Since: 29 Oct 2023
Location: Brackley
Posts: 9
eightfoot wrote:
rrhool wrote:
If it was all fine before the oil change (I assume that's what you mean) it is possibly more than coincidence that it failed the next day.
I think D4 and D3 have the same oil filter arrangement, it is possible to incorrectly install the oil filter, rendering it useless.
Others will confirm if that's the case or not.
you cant install wrong like the d3, sorry cant offer any advice on the rattle but i would be going back to the garage that changed the oil and finding out what spec oil they used and how much they put in
I think there is nothing to be gained with this garage, not really looking for blame, just how to go from here, I realise something is seriously wrong, the owner couldn’t be contacted as he was too stressed to speak,,,,,
Then the final £8K replacement was his solution,,,,,
29th Oct 2023 10:24 pm
georgi UK
Member Since: 29 Oct 2023
Location: Brackley
Posts: 9
rrhool wrote:
I've just looked up the oil filters for both D3 and D4, I think I'm wrong about the similarity. D3 has a locating peg on the filter that needs to be oriented correctly. Perhaps D4 doesn't have that.
I which case, I don't know.
Even if they used the wrong oil, I wouldn't have thought one day would damage the engine.
Thanks Richard, I agree totally,,,, I just can’t imagine how the rattle developed so quickly?? No dash light warnings and no dipstick doesn’t help me either,,,
29th Oct 2023 10:30 pm
georgi UK
Member Since: 29 Oct 2023
Location: Brackley
Posts: 9
Pete K wrote:
These do have a small timing chain within the heads, between the cams.
So if your ear is good, work out which side.
Bit of a faff to get to them. Injectors out. Fuel rail off. Fuel rail bracket off. Passenger side requires more.
You’re doing quite well to put 160K on one of these engines. (Yeah ok there are ones out there with more. Blar blar)
Thanks for the reply, my Daughter is dyslexic and I will need to check it, maybe that was 60K?!,,, it sounds firmly towards the front and I would say midway up the engine,,, not really dominant from either side,,,, hope that helps. Thanks again.
29th Oct 2023 10:38 pm
popsdosh
Member Since: 09 Nov 2009
Location: cambs
Posts: 442
I would get the belt tensioners checked out as they have a habit of failing. When was the front timing belt last changed ? It must be due a second one. If it were mine I would spin off the oil filter and check for any signs of swarf . This would put your mind at rest on two counts . Hopefully no swarth and also if they had actually carried out the service as paid to do . Very easily done without having to drain any oil. Is the oil level OK ? To be honest im not sure they have clue what their doing as the figure they quoted for a replacement is very much on the optimistic side .
30th Oct 2023 8:01 am
kirkyworld
Member Since: 01 Mar 2016
Location: Northampton
Posts: 566
Be very careful - many offering rebuild engines are
£8k sounds rather less than I would have expected.
Good luck.
NJSS
Ok, thanks for the heads up,,,,,
30th Oct 2023 7:37 pm
georgi UK
Member Since: 29 Oct 2023
Location: Brackley
Posts: 9
popsdosh wrote:
I would get the belt tensioners checked out as they have a habit of failing. When was the front timing belt last changed ? It must be due a second one. If it were mine I would spin off the oil filter and check for any signs of swarf . This would put your mind at rest on two counts . Hopefully no swarth and also if they had actually carried out the service as paid to do . Very easily done without having to drain any oil. Is the oil level OK ? To be honest im not sure they have clue what their doing as the figure they quoted for a replacement is very much on the optimistic side .
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