Member Since: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
Posts: 4197
How it works is only the positive and negative feeds are supplied to the fake plug … thus if you try connecting an obd tool it powers up but just cannot connect with the canbus… it cannot communicate…
26th Feb 2022 10:01 pm
Gary_P
Member Since: 03 May 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 1682
Thanks. Yes, that’s what I thought. Was hoping to confirm that this version actually does that.
CheersGary
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27th Feb 2022 9:48 am
LRD4GAB
Member Since: 05 Nov 2020
Location: Tamworth
Posts: 505
Anyone give me the heads up on removing the plastic panel under the steering wheel?
My understanding is that LR changed the way the keys work on later cars to prevent OBD theft. You can’t programme a key to the car, the key module has to be replaced to accept any new keys.
This is why I was quoted £900 for a third key from LR......
6th Mar 2022 9:20 am
Realist
Member Since: 21 Mar 2016
Location: South Wales
Posts: 357
What year is effected by this, just purchased a D4 2010 and if needs be I’ll do this myself.
Why wait, just go for it and enjoy life.
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15th Mar 2022 9:21 pm
DarkWheel
Member Since: 21 Dec 2021
Location: Manchester
Posts: 17
Wish I was an auto electrician, I'd add some kind of high-powered capacitor to spike and fry anything that's plugged into the false ODB port. Toast the gadget in the first place, that would stop them hunting round for the "real" odb port.
22nd Mar 2022 2:45 pm
popsdosh
Member Since: 09 Nov 2009
Location: cambs
Posts: 442
Cant understand the need to fit a fake ODB port .Its very simple to fit an inline hidden switch to cut communication .
24th Mar 2022 7:11 am
jamez79
Member Since: 03 Sep 2018
Location: Staffordshire
Posts: 595
My understanding is this...
Relay attacks where they use a laptop in a bag with a signal boosting device will boost the signal from the key in the house to enable them to open the vehicle door and then start the vehicle as if the key was present inside the vehicle is sufficient for them to get in the car, start it and drive away. They can then programme a key at a later date. The only way to protect against this is to use a faraday pouch or similar to bock the signal from being able to be boosted by their device.
The OBD method is shockingly quick. Plug in, press button on OBD device and it enables them to start the vehicle and drive it away.
From what I can gather, they are driving around looking for peple that haven't bothered to lock their vehicles (wing mirrors sticking out or handles on the Velar etc which are tell tale signs and they don't even have to get out of their most likely stolen/cloned car to check) which makes the theft even easier. We don't give the b@llbags enough credit for their ingenuity as they keep coming up with ways of nicking LR's and RR's on a daily basis.
I think moving the OBD port is a great idea and I'm watching with interest. However, a visual deterent has to be the first port of call as by the time they try the OBD port, they've already got into your vehicle, possibly damaged it and by now are fairly determined thats the one they want to take.
If you have a visual deterent, ie steering lock, they will probably give up and move on to the next victim.
Carkey BDH is the other major concern as no one wants these scumbags in their house, but they are very quiet and the chances of waking up are fairly slim. Burglar alarm, and actually turn the thing on at night time when you go upstairs to bed, or a dog that'll bark to wake you are essential.
Failing all that, cameras so you have a vague idea of what they look like if you do wake up and your pride and joy has gone off the driveway.
New and older motors are still going daily. As soon as JLR come up with a way to stop them, they come up with a way around it. Frustrating is an understatement.
24th Mar 2022 9:47 am
Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
Posts: 4197
They don’t need to look for an unlocked car… there are plenty of key locking picking devices which take seconds to open a locked door. The alarm goes off for a couple of seconds until they can plug in their emulator to the obd… which takes another few seconds to send a signal to the car to start…
I understand they are now emulating signals to the start stop programming of the car rather than going through the immobiliser circuitry.
24th Mar 2022 5:33 pm
craigside
Member Since: 10 Mar 2011
Location: Bolton
Posts: 44
kevofcov wrote:
What MY? Not sure it may be an issue for you.
My understanding is that LR changed the way the keys work on later cars to prevent OBD theft. You can’t programme a key to the car, the key module has to be replaced to accept any new keys.
This is why I was quoted £900 for a third key from LR......
Hi, my understanding is that the thieves use the OBD connection to create an 'emergency key' which allows them to start vehicle and drive away...Rob
Member Since: 10 Mar 2011
Location: Bolton
Posts: 44
Farmer Chalk wrote:
They don’t need to look for an unlocked car… there are plenty of key locking picking devices which take seconds to open a locked door. The alarm goes off for a couple of seconds until they can plug in their emulator to the obd… which takes another few seconds to send a signal to the car to start…
I understand they are now emulating signals to the start stop programming of the car rather than going through the immobiliser circuitry.
I believe that double locking - ie. deadlocks, can't be tricked/picked, or opened unless the car is unlocked. Hence if it's not keyless (keyless is turned off) or they can't relay from the "keyless key" they will punch a hole in glass, reach in and plug into the OBD to create an emergency key, unlock door, etc..Rob
Member Since: 10 Mar 2011
Location: Bolton
Posts: 44
popsdosh wrote:
Cant understand the need to fit a fake ODB port .Its very simple to fit an inline hidden switch to cut communication .
Can I ask have you done this? Could your share how/where etc., you fitted an inline hidden switch? I'd certainly do this if I can see how to do it...Rob
Member Since: 10 Mar 2011
Location: Bolton
Posts: 44
LRD4GAB wrote:
Anyone give me the heads up on removing the plastic panel under the steering wheel?
Get a grip Left and Right sides of the lower panel and tug it out. It can be quite stiff and has 2 metal spring clips gripping into 2 slots. I smeared some soap on the clips afterwards it's easier to fit/remove now...Rob
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