Member Since: 13 Jan 2013
Location: Bedfordshire
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Crankshaft Failure - Your help required
I own a Discovery 4 2013 which I bought from new. I have manintained the car fully with dealer stamps and independent Landrover specialist stamps on the service history. The belts and roller were change in 2019. The car has done 110,000 miles.
This April 2021 I has hit in the rear by another car and the other car ended partly underneth my rear. The damage was to the rear and I was hit pretty hard as it also knocked out the spare wheel and fittlngs from under the car. The other car was written off.
My car got repaied and was delivered back to me in early May 2021. I have driven less than 1000 miles since the car was returned to me and been back only 7 weeks and I have had crankshaft failure.
I am sure that the rear end shunt has caused damaged to the crankshaft and hence the failure. The car has never felt right ever since I got it back from the accident repaiers.
There is oil in the car, no engine light on the dash.
My question are:
1) Does anyone know of crankshaft failure after being shunted from the rear.
2) Is there a known fault that causes crankshaft failure.
3) How much is it going to cost me to get repaired.
4) If not a rebuild, how much for a refurbished SDV6 engine replacement?
I look forward to your replies.
Best Regards to All
1st Jul 2021 1:10 pm
PROFSR G
Member Since: 06 Mar 2017
Location: Lost
Posts: 5044
Well that's dreadful news and you join a long list of others who have suffered the same fate. Two at least on here this week alone.
(1) Never heard of a shaft failure as a result of a rear shunt, but you'd imagine there would be
transmission or other driveline damage in such a scenario.
(2) Yes, there is a known fault. The crankshaft.
(3) Old engine is not repairable so a new short block will be required. £6k+ and transfer the heads and
ancillaries from the old engine. More £££
(4) Talk to Oval Autos in Crawley Heath, or Disco Mikey in Dundee (both on this forum)yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
1st Jul 2021 2:14 pm
Hobson
Member Since: 20 Jun 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 164
I know just how you feel having had the dreaded crankshaft failure in my 2013 D4 in December 2019.
However, in the first place I'd suggest that you do as I did and get it to a good (they do exist, I know from personal experience) Land Rover Dealer or approved Service Agent and have them assess the vehicle and then have them approach LR on your behalf. My D4 had a good service history but not a single LR dealer stamp, all independents. LR offered an immediate 90% (yes,ninety, not a typo) contribution (parts and labour) which, in my opinion, was pretty damn good and maybe an acceptance of the fact they have a serious issue with some of these vehicles. I ended up with a genuine LR remanufactured engine and two reconditioned turbochargers. Still had a 3rd party warranty on the vehicle and they picked up the balance of the cost. Total bill was around £15K.
To say I was relieved is something of an understatement!!! Certainly worth a try I think.
1st Jul 2021 5:30 pm
riverblanche
Member Since: 31 Aug 2010
Location: retford'ish
Posts: 2227
Hi,
have a look over on RRS side as a member on there has done a long and recent post about his crank failure, he ended up paying about £14k istr for a main dealer replacement with 0% from L/R
that in the thread there is another member who had similar conditions and L/R contributed quite a bit
as said ^^ it seems to depend which main dealer asks for the contribution (or how they ask?)
Member Since: 06 Mar 2017
Location: Lost
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Hobson wrote:
I know just how you feel having had the dreaded crankshaft failure in my 2013 D4 in December 2019.
My D4 had a good service history but not a single LR dealer stamp, all independents. LR offered an immediate 90% (yes,ninety, not a typo) contribution (parts and labour) which, in my opinion, was pretty damn good and maybe an acceptance of the fact they have a serious issue with some of these vehicles. I ended up with a genuine LR remanufactured engine and two reconditioned turbochargers. Still had a 3rd party warranty on the vehicle and they picked up the balance of the cost. Total bill was around £15K.
To say I was relieved is something of an understatement!!! Certainly worth a try I think.
That must have been the patron saint of LR's you went to
There's a lot of peeps on here that would love to meet that dealer!!
Great result by the way, well done you. yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
1st Jul 2021 6:26 pm
JordsDisco
Member Since: 22 May 2020
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 1616
Worth a try, but with 110k miles on the clock, I would not expect anything.
1st Jul 2021 6:48 pm
Hobson
Member Since: 20 Jun 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 164
PROFSR G wrote:
Hobson wrote:
I know just how you feel having had the dreaded crankshaft failure in my 2013 D4 in December 2019.
My D4 had a good service history but not a single LR dealer stamp, all independents. LR offered an immediate 90% (yes,ninety, not a typo) contribution (parts and labour) which, in my opinion, was pretty damn good and maybe an acceptance of the fact they have a serious issue with some of these vehicles. I ended up with a genuine LR remanufactured engine and two reconditioned turbochargers. Still had a 3rd party warranty on the vehicle and they picked up the balance of the cost. Total bill was around £15K.
To say I was relieved is something of an understatement!!! Certainly worth a try I think.
That must have been the patron saint of LR's you went to
There's a lot of peeps on here that would love to meet that dealer!!
Great result by the way, well done you.
I went to an approved Land Rover Service Centre, Taylor's of Dunmow in Essex, where the service manager did a really good job on my behalf. I had no involvement with LR or the RAC warranty people at any point, Dennis did the lot. Although it's bit of a trek I've subsequently taken the car back there for servicing as a measure of my appreciation.
1st Jul 2021 8:41 pm
xyplex
Member Since: 13 Jan 2013
Location: Bedfordshire
Posts: 240
Can anyone give me list of specialist Landrover engine builders who can get my car back on the road.
Some people who I have contacted seem not to be specialist and I think some are trying rip me off.
I know there are genuine honest mechanics out there who can do the job.
Thank you for your help.
5th Jul 2021 9:32 am
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 15264
Maybe check out site sponsor Oval Autos
They've had many dealings with failed crankshafts.
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Location: Lost
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You are right to be wary as you need a LR specialist for these engines, so if you're looking to rebuild the engine I would suggest you talk to Oval Autos. https://www.ovalautos.com/
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I did speak to Oval Auto and firstly he wants £1500 up front and then he will look at the problem and give me a price to fix but he also wants to charge for refurbishing the turbos at £450 each if required and £250 per injector if they need refurbishing.
If i dont like the price then he will put the engine together as it arrived to them and he will keep the £1500.
You see my problem is what's stopping them from saying to me that its going to cost £10,000, its their word only. he will only provide warranty if turbos an injectors are looked at also.
I am really stuck
5th Jul 2021 12:49 pm
PROFSR G
Member Since: 06 Mar 2017
Location: Lost
Posts: 5044
Has your crankshaft snapped, or is it bearing damage?yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
5th Jul 2021 12:57 pm
xyplex
Member Since: 13 Jan 2013
Location: Bedfordshire
Posts: 240
the engine turns over but makes a knocking and a screeching sound
5th Jul 2021 1:29 pm
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
xyplex wrote:
I did speak to Oval Auto and firstly he wants £1500 up front and then he will look at the problem and give me a price to fix but he also wants to charge for refurbishing the turbos at £450 each if required and £250 per injector if they need refurbishing.
If i dont like the price then he will put the engine together as it arrived to them and he will keep the £1500.
You see my problem is what's stopping them from saying to me that its going to cost £10,000, its their word only. he will only provide warranty if turbos an injectors are looked at also.
I am really stuck
That is to expensive for refurbed injectors (bear in mind I do not think you can get the parts to refurb them) new ones were 200 each.
I can see why he is doing it that way, as the world is full of timewasters, plus who can warrant an engine if other parts which maye have caused the failure are refitted?
Member Since: 28 Dec 2018
Location: Cradley Heath
Posts: 382
xyplex wrote:
I did speak to Oval Auto and firstly he wants £1500 up front and then he will look at the problem and give me a price to fix but he also wants to charge for refurbishing the turbos at £450 each if required and £250 per injector if they need refurbishing.
If i dont like the price then he will put the engine together as it arrived to them and he will keep the £1500.
You see my problem is what's stopping them from saying to me that its going to cost £10,000, its their word only. he will only provide warranty if turbos an injectors are looked at also.
I am really stuck
We've never remanufactured an engine for £10k
Anyone that has used our service knows how we operate and that every aspect of the work we do is documented for the avoidance of doubt. We go out of our way to make sure our customers are satisfied and not felt like they have been ripped off. We don't BS about what the cost might end up being after we have removed the engine, stripped it down (photographed) to find out the extent of the damage, sent the injectors and turbos away for inspection/testing. As mentioned, when we put the cost to the customer, it's entirely up to them what happens next. We don't push the customer to have the engine remanufactured if they think the price is too high, but the price is based on the damage, not made up.
Turbos are only remanufactured if required. i.e., worn, damaged or leaking oil. Of course the customer can overrule us and say they don't want a turbo remanufactured against our findings. But if that turbo subsequently fails and damages the engine, the warranty is void. Standard stuff.
As for the injectors, if any have failed the tests (carried out by an manufacturer authorised centre) and the customer does not want them replaced, we don't warranty any work. These engines are already stressed enough and don't need any extra by misfuelling or misbehaving injectors. BTW, we don't refurb injectors, they would be brand new OE units.
As was explained, the deposit covers all this work and if the customer does not want us to continue, rebuilding the old engine back up as it was, installing it back in the car, making it back to the condition it arrived with us and delivering it back to the customer. We don't chuck the old engine parts in the back of the car and make the customer come to collect it. However, if the customer does want us to carry on with the rebuild based on the cost, the deposit comes off the final amount, not in addition.
I think you must be mistaking us for some of the shady outfits, of which there are many, pretending to be professional and customer focused.Joe
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