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Location: Oberon, NSW
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System for Keeping the Suspenson up (or down)
I have an idea for a system that would allow the adjustment of sensors to fool the suspension into off road height.
But..............also allow you to drop it back at will as well.
It will operate from a switch in the cabin.
Initial costs are looking like at least $700 for the system plus engineering cert. (It is a modification to the suspension and the law requires it)
I want to know if this is worth pursuing.
Would you be will willing to pay that much or do I need to keep looking for a cheaper method?
Anonymous response to poll is fine.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
25th Feb 2008 12:12 pm
Jonty
Member Since: 13 Oct 2007
Location: On the beach
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Sounds good.
25th Feb 2008 12:24 pm
heine
Member Since: 07 Feb 2007
Location: Midrand
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I was given a figure of about R 10 000 by someone else . So this is about half the price
25th Feb 2008 12:36 pm
Desert Traveller
Member Since: 06 Aug 2006
Location: The Gabba - QLD
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$700 is a cheap suspension upgrade. The last trip cost me exhaust repairs and a new heat deflector.06 TDV6 SE with many LR and after-market extras. Used only on weekends and trips out west.
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25th Feb 2008 11:02 pm
christyler
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: Cork, Ireland
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Re: System for Keeping the Suspenson up (or down)
caverD3 wrote:
Initial costs are looking like at least $700 for the system plus engineering cert.
I want to know if this is worth pursuing.
Would you be will willing to pay that much or do I need to keep looking for a cheaper method?
Pardon me, but the matzker does exactly that ! i also worked out how to do it, then discovered the matzker and thought why bother with experimental electronics when you can use a proper built and proved unit for just a few bob more.
it really is a load of hassel, when the germans have already done it.CLUB "Ah Shor it'll be grand"
First D3 in the World with a Hydraulic Winch.
2006 Disco 3 TDV6 S Auto,
Diff Locks, Turbochipped, Raised Air Intake, 220volts Onboard, Onboard Compressor, Large Bore Exahust, Underbody Protection, One or two Other Mods as well.
Other toys include, Argo Avenger 8x8, Tatra 6x6 Motorhome (Being Built)
Chris - the Matzker system works out at well over $1000 oz dollars over here. I think $700 is too hight, but for 4-500 it would be OK.
A fellow D3-er has suggested a simpler two setting sliding sensor arm - we're looking into that - for $100 or less
cheers,
SimonD3 - Buckingham Blue, SE, TDV6, 06 model; chipped; underbody armour; Mickey Thompson ATZ 275/65-18 AND MAXXIS Bighorn muddies; rear wheel carrier from 4x4intelligence.com; iPOD aux connection! GME 3200 UHF - aerial mounted on wheel carrier ; LR roof rails/cross bars; Autosafe cargo barrier, Safari Snorkel; Traxide - aux battery; ARB bull bar with Tigerz11 winch; Lightforce 240 XGT driving lights (mitchell bros tow hitch to come)
26th Feb 2008 12:40 am
disco4x4au
Member Since: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Perth
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Currently, I just have two sensor arms fitted to the sensor at all times - when I need the extra travel, it's a 40sec job to swap over the upper connection (to the chassis). Costs less than $100.
Just injecting a quiescent current into the correct Earth point of the EAS module would accomplish the same as the Matzker system, and couldn't cost more than $200 - $300 to rig up. So I guess around $500 would be right for retail.
Cheers,
Gordonex - 2006 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, with lots of stuff - R.I.P.
ex - 2009 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, had lots of stuff too!
Now - 2010 RRS 3.0 TDV6, rimini red, 18" rims + Cooper LTZ, rear eLocker, Spider tuning box, GOE protection plates and rock sliders, GOE 3way shortened rods.
26th Feb 2008 1:32 am
Desert Traveller
Member Since: 06 Aug 2006
Location: The Gabba - QLD
Posts: 420
I don't need the ability to lower on the highway as offered by Matzker. All I want and need is the 50 mm (+ ?) off road raise. Is the Matzker off road height increase limited to 100 km/hr?
Why pay for unwanted features?06 TDV6 SE with many LR and after-market extras. Used only on weekends and trips out west.
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26th Feb 2008 2:18 am
caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
If Metzcar is only $1000 then $700 is high for only solving the off road speed issue.
It needed some parts made to order to be robust enough to work and survive, standard parts may be poss but can they take the punishment?
Up against the spanish experience.
Simon sliding arm sounds good but I am assuming you need to get under the D3 to adjust them?“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
26th Feb 2008 3:07 am
Desert Traveller
Member Since: 06 Aug 2006
Location: The Gabba - QLD
Posts: 420
Matzker system sells for about AUD2k beyond my threshold of pain in the hip pocket.06 TDV6 SE with many LR and after-market extras. Used only on weekends and trips out west.
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VW Eos TDI For Sale
Previously 01 TD5 and 94 TDI
26th Feb 2008 3:20 am
Rob Bruce
Member Since: 18 Jun 2006
Location: Canberra
Posts: 687
Someone and I can not find it had worked out where on the comp. program and how to change the perameters, they said they needed a bit of time to complete it.
So if it is just a hook up to external computor and delve into things and change I would be happy to pay for it.
Say $200. AUD ok.
Rob
26th Feb 2008 6:02 am
caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
I have been waiting to see if someone would come up with an electronic or software solution other than Matzker.
Matzker is electronic rather than a software solution. A software solution would be nice and should be cheap as there are no parts to supply or fit.
The shortened rods have solved the issue but need to physically changed over. A remotely activated rod shortening system would seem to be the simplest way to go but as the spanish found out acuators of sufficient quality are expensive and you need four of them.
The give any form of guarantee of performance under extreme conditions bespoke parts need to be made.
Otherwise a cheaper system could be made with no guarantee againt damage or breakage. Where the rods are they are exposed and get a ponding from the supension movement; they connect the sprung and unsrung pats of the car.
Any system like this will need developement time and money and a testing regime before it can be marketed, it cannot be bench tested and passed by an engineer. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
26th Feb 2008 7:09 am
heine
Member Since: 07 Feb 2007
Location: Midrand
Posts: 4054
disco4x4au wrote:
Currently, I just have two sensor arms fitted to the sensor at all times - when I need the extra travel, it's a 40sec job to swap over the upper connection (to the chassis). Costs less than $100.
Just injecting a quiescent current into the correct Earth point of the EAS module would accomplish the same as the Matzker system, and couldn't cost more than $200 - $300 to rig up. So I guess around $500 would be right for retail.
Cheers,
Gordon
Any chance of some pics - Also I know this has been asked before but how do you do that rear without removing the wheel first
26th Feb 2008 10:43 am
disco4x4au
Member Since: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Perth
Posts: 409
heine wrote:
Any chance of some pics - Also I know this has been asked before but how do you do that rear without removing the wheel first
There's this one:
- as soon as I get a new cable for my digital camera (lost it when moving house!) I can post some more. As for the rear connection, true, you have to crawl under the car a little at first, but you soon get to memorise where to place your hands!
Cheers,
Gordonex - 2006 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, with lots of stuff - R.I.P.
ex - 2009 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, had lots of stuff too!
Now - 2010 RRS 3.0 TDV6, rimini red, 18" rims + Cooper LTZ, rear eLocker, Spider tuning box, GOE protection plates and rock sliders, GOE 3way shortened rods.
27th Feb 2008 9:45 am
heine
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