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RRSTDV8 wrote:
LT wrote:
I had Pirelli ATR’s on my PD1881’s. I never put the 20”s rims back on until I sold.
I think the newer Pirelli AT+ would be a good choice.
👍
I'm running the Pirelli AT+ on my RRS in 255/55/19 format. It's a decent enough tyre but it's not a competitor for the chunky tyres being discussed by any stretch of the imagination.
I never intended to imply that they were. 👍
I do think that the Pirelli AT+ and the TR system, combined with some off road driving knowledge would see you going most places you’d want to get to.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
11th Jun 2020 5:10 pm
dragonred
Member Since: 14 Nov 2019
Location: Torridge, North Devon
Posts: 45
Just an aside note here to you LT, I used to have a Range Rover Vogue SE SDV8 on lease. It was a stunning car. It was the model before all that touch screen crap they put in, so had actual buttons and dials to turn, which I prefer.
I wanted so badly to buy it at the end of the lease... but, the cost was monstrously high so I elected to part ways. But if I had had enough money to buy and not miss it I would have. Stunning machine. But saying that, I love the D4 just as a much as the RR easily. So I definitely don't see the D4 as a "downgrade" at all.Mike
Driving:
2016 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE
2002 Discovery 2 Td5 ES Auto
2012 Toyota Yaris Hybrid
12th Jun 2020 8:21 am
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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The D4 is a much more practical and versatile vehicle than the L405 FFRR, in my opinion. Unfortunately there isn’t a direct replacement for the D4, from any marque, so I ended up with the FFRR. 👍2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
12th Jun 2020 8:26 am
RRSTDV8
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LT wrote:
I never intended to imply that they were. 👍
I do think that the Pirelli AT+ and the TR system, combined with some off road driving knowledge would see you going most places you’d want to get to.
Sorry, it does read that I was implying that you were. My apologies.
I found the AT+ struggled on very wet grassland where mud easily comes up even when just walking around on it. But then the Grabber AT3 would have done so too and I wouldn't be surprised if most tyres short of a MT would also struggle. I did get through but it did result in some surface damage to the field. But that was this winter when even a tractor struggled to pull a beaters' trailer on what is normally a grass field.
I had the Pirelli ATR for a while (my first AT tyre). I did find that it struggled in some conditions where the subsequent Grabber AT didn't. But the ATR was a better tyre on the road.
It's all about picking your compromise, of course. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
12th Jun 2020 10:33 am
RRSTDV8
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LT wrote:
The D4 is a much more practical and versatile vehicle than the L405 FFRR, in my opinion. Unfortunately there isn’t a direct replacement for the D4, from any marque, so I ended up with the FFRR. 👍
The BMW X7 has a split tailgate and seven seats (the middle ones being better than the D5's and the rear pair being just about full size too). A better on road drive but not nearly so good off road as the D4 of course. There's a choice of engines too. Not sure it's got a huge tow capacity, however.
Oh, and it's been lightly tapped with an ugly stick at the front. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
12th Jun 2020 10:43 am
LT
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Looks aside, the limited off road ability makes it a non starter for me. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
12th Jun 2020 10:45 am
Buckster
Member Since: 04 May 2015
Location: Hampshire
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265/60/18 KM3 Mud Terrains are available at Camskills 2003 BMW M5- 5 Litres of V8 Optimax Slurping Goodness in Carbon Black
2013 RRS SDV6 HSE Black Edition- Orkney Grey with Ebony & Ivory. LR Facelift RAI, Genuine G4 Expo Rack, 4x Warn Spotlights, Warn 9.5 XPS Winch, Mantec Underbody Protection, Full Easylift Suspension, LightForce HTX 230 Spot Lights, LR Light Guards, 18” Compomotive PD1881 on 265/65/18 BF Goodrich KO2, Brembos Calipers, ARB Fridge, Tuff trek awning.
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12th Jun 2020 8:32 pm
RRSTDV8
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Are you going for those Chris?Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
12th Jun 2020 8:51 pm
dragonred
Member Since: 14 Nov 2019
Location: Torridge, North Devon
Posts: 45
RRSTDV8 wrote:
I found the AT+ struggled on very wet grassland where mud easily comes up even when just walking around on it. But then the Grabber AT3 would have done so too and I wouldn't be surprised if most tyres short of a MT would also struggle. I did get through but it did result in some surface damage to the field. But that was this winter when even a tractor struggled to pull a beaters' trailer on what is normally a grass field.
I had the Pirelli ATR for a while (my first AT tyre). I did find that it struggled in some conditions where the subsequent Grabber AT didn't. But the ATR was a better tyre on the road.
It's all about picking your compromise, of course.
To be fair, wet grass is one of the easiest things to get stuck on. I've been out in the past to a few "pay n plays" and one guy in a Defender 110 (it was a non TC type) was stuck fast on it. Everybody was laughing but... you know... wet grass is evil. Mike
Driving:
2016 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE
2002 Discovery 2 Td5 ES Auto
2012 Toyota Yaris Hybrid
13th Jun 2020 8:06 am
dragonred
Member Since: 14 Nov 2019
Location: Torridge, North Devon
Posts: 45
Buckster wrote:
265/60/18 KM3 Mud Terrains are available at Camskills
They are, cheapest place I've seen them sold too.Mike
Driving:
2016 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE
2002 Discovery 2 Td5 ES Auto
2012 Toyota Yaris Hybrid
13th Jun 2020 8:07 am
ArdbegBold
Member Since: 03 May 2015
Location: West Mercia
Posts: 272
BFG KO2 265/60/18 every day including Sundays, 3 peak rated for winter. With 265/60/18 KM3 you will be going know where fast in the snow but great for Mud plugging.
18th Jun 2020 10:43 am
paulf
Member Since: 23 Sep 2017
Location: Rutland
Posts: 91
As above, I’ve got BFG KO2 on my Compomotives. 265/60/18. They’re a great all rounder and definitely quiet compared to the Duratracs I had on my 19s. Interestingly though, the slightly higher profile has eradicated the speedo over read you get standard in all cars. It’s akin to being a calibrated speedo it’s that exact (to speed signs and using speed app via GPS). I’d be careful going to 65 profile etc (assuming 265 width or above) as your speedo would likely under-read.Discovery 4 XXV
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18th Jun 2020 4:45 pm
dragonred
Member Since: 14 Nov 2019
Location: Torridge, North Devon
Posts: 45
I have the same issue with my D2 when I switch to the off road wheels. They are 1.5" bigger than standard so, I have to always drive 2 to 5 mph "under" the speed limit. But with Cooper STT pro's honestly, the fastest I would be prepared to do is 60mph. Even in the dry.Mike
Driving:
2016 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE
2002 Discovery 2 Td5 ES Auto
2012 Toyota Yaris Hybrid
18th Jun 2020 5:22 pm
Ceekay
Member Since: 17 May 2009
Location: Bury
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Im running Compo's with BFG KO2's at 265/65R18 and the speedo is now bob on without even trying to alter any settings with the IID tool, even though tyre speed comparison sites say otherwise D4 HSE Lux MY16 Club Waitomo
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18th Jun 2020 6:53 pm
Surfrider
Member Since: 20 Sep 2019
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 73
Oddly, the same here. My speedo was always a bit out on standard LR wheels / tires (per Waze GPS speed on highway). Since equipping the Compos and 265/65/18 BF KO2s, it is spot on now.
I also ran this same wheel and tire combo on my last D4 for nearly 5 years without issue. They do rub ever so slightly on the frame horns behind the wheel, only while reversing at full lock, however that only lasts a very short time. Once you run some mm off in wear over time, they are perfectly fine.2016 D4 HSE Lux
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