Just to put in my 2cents worth... i honestly dont know why everyone here seems so anti the d5.
If this were a site for Pigeon fanciers, there wouldn't be many singing the praises of Peregrine falcons
15th Feb 2020 11:55 am
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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Seems like Maybach are not immune to designing ugly cars.
Gerry McGovern would be ideal suited to this brand.
LR could then get back a proper designer - Ian McCallum
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...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
< ‘tis but a mere scratch …….. it’ll polish out.
15th Feb 2020 12:04 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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Personally I don’t get all this anti Gerry McGovern, yeah the D5 isn’t his best but he’s not solely responsible.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
15th Feb 2020 12:38 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23866
Presumably he signed off the final design though?2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
15th Feb 2020 12:46 pm
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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He's the CCO of JLR so with any LR design, he is ultimately responsible....... always on the road less travelled 🚧
< ‘tis but a mere scratch …….. it’ll polish out.
15th Feb 2020 12:49 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
I’m not his biggest fan by any stretch but his track record isn’t all bad.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
15th Feb 2020 1:20 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
One of the best quotes that I’ve ever heard from an automotive designer is: “A good design needs no explanation, but it takes considerable oratory skill to pass off bad design as good”.
Whilst it’s clear the D5 was not directly Gerry McGovern’s fault, I have watched him stand up in front of some pretty nasty designs and spout near endless pretentious twaddle. Compare this to the presentation of Ian Callum, someone whose designs usually need no explanation, where he is brief, easy to understand, honest and to the point.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
15th Feb 2020 10:02 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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Did Callum make a bad design?Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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15th Feb 2020 10:52 pm
LeighW D3 Decade
Member Since: 31 Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Posts: 920
RRSTDV8 wrote:
Did Callum make a bad design?
Not if you consider the following list from Top Gear site...
The old girl is on her third engine...
* first ran a bearing (design failure in original engine)
* second had a failure of the water outlet on top of the engine (pls check yours)
15th Feb 2020 11:07 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
RRSTDV8 wrote:
Did Callum make a bad design?
Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest that. I’m not aware of a single duff design of his; I was just trying to contrast their ways of communicating, with Callum being an unpretentious man of relatively few words, who let his designs speak for themselves 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
16th Feb 2020 8:32 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
GM always gives me the impression he wants the recognition that Jony Ive got at Apple, deserved or not, he was very much at the centre of it all. GM however seems to have also been influenced by Laurence Llewellyn Bowen. I suppose if you’re artistic you are more likely to be flamboyant but he does seem to try too hard. Time will be his ultimate critic will the designs still be controversial (is that a bad thing?) or will they be looked back on with affection.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
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16th Feb 2020 9:39 am
kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6769
Jony Ive dresses rather simplistically while Gerry McGowern looks like he bought a bit of everything from the Saville Row catalog to fit in as an Italian count.
16th Feb 2020 9:43 am
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
Pelyma wrote:
Time will be his ultimate critic will the designs still be controversial (is that a bad thing?) or will they be looked back on with affection.
There are many parallels with Chris Bangle (BMW). In his case, not dressing like a flamboyant student on his way to a fancy dress party, but similar in taking pride in his “controversial” designs, the upset they caused and talking a lot at launches.
Ultimately, he and BMW parted ways, he went on to obscurity and his “design language” (yuck!) was quickly erased from the company’s product line. Few will remember his designs fondly, but many more might remember him giving the contemporary 5 Series a set of, funny looking, Dame Edna glasses
Gert Hildebrand (who?) suffered a similar fate after his dreadful Mk1 MINI Countryman...2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
16th Feb 2020 10:35 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
kajtzu wrote:
Jony Ive dresses rather simplistically while Gerry McGowern looks like he bought a bit of everything from the Saville Row catalog to fit in as an Italian count.
Hence the Laurence LB comment. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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