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KenR
 


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Seems to have a funny box in the middle of the load space and why with such sophistication, do you still have slam the bonnet shut!
  
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nebc100 wrote:
Just to put in my 2cents worth... i honestly dont know why everyone here seems so anti the d5.


If this were a site for Pigeon fanciers, there wouldn't be many singing the praises of Peregrine falcons Laughing
  
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Seems like Maybach are not immune to designing ugly cars.
Gerry McGovern would be ideal suited to this brand.
LR could then get back a proper designer - Ian McCallum

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Personally I donā€™t get all this anti Gerry McGovern, yeah the D5 isnā€™t his best but heā€™s not solely responsible.
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Presumably he signed off the final design though?
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ronp
 


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He's the CCO of JLR so with any LR design, he is ultimately responsible.
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J77
 


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Iā€™m not his biggest fan by any stretch but his track record isnā€™t all bad.
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One of the best quotes that Iā€™ve ever heard from an automotive designer is: ā€œA good design needs no explanation, but it takes considerable oratory skill to pass off bad design as goodā€.

Whilst itā€™s clear the D5 was not directly Gerry McGovernā€™s fault, I have watched him stand up in front of some pretty nasty designs and spout near endless pretentious twaddle. Compare this to the presentation of Ian Callum, someone whose designs usually need no explanation, where he is brief, easy to understand, honest and to the point.
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Did Callum make a bad design?
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
Did Callum make a bad design?


Not if you consider the following list from Top Gear site...

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/list/have...gue-cars#1
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Red Merle
 


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RRSTDV8 wrote:
Did Callum make a bad design?


Sorry, I didnā€™t mean to suggest that. Iā€™m not aware of a single duff design of his; I was just trying to contrast their ways of communicating, with Callum being an unpretentious man of relatively few words, who let his designs speak for themselves Thumbs Up
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GM always gives me the impression he wants the recognition that Jony Ive got at Apple, deserved or not, he was very much at the centre of it all. GM however seems to have also been influenced by Laurence Llewellyn Bowen. I suppose if youā€™re artistic you are more likely to be flamboyant but he does seem to try too hard. Time will be his ultimate critic will the designs still be controversial (is that a bad thing?) or will they be looked back on with affection.
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Jony Ive dresses rather simplistically while Gerry McGowern looks like he bought a bit of everything from the Saville Row catalog to fit in as an Italian count. Laughing
  
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Red Merle
 


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Pelyma wrote:
Time will be his ultimate critic will the designs still be controversial (is that a bad thing?) or will they be looked back on with affection.


There are many parallels with Chris Bangle (BMW). In his case, not dressing like a flamboyant student on his way to a fancy dress party, but similar in taking pride in his ā€œcontroversialā€ designs, the upset they caused and talking a lot at launches.

Ultimately, he and BMW parted ways, he went on to obscurity and his ā€œdesign languageā€ (yuck!) was quickly erased from the companyā€™s product line. Few will remember his designs fondly, but many more might remember him giving the contemporary 5 Series a set of, funny looking, Dame Edna glasses Shocked



Gert Hildebrand (who?) suffered a similar fate after his dreadful Mk1 MINI Countryman...
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Pelyma
  


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kajtzu wrote:
Jony Ive dresses rather simplistically while Gerry McGowern looks like he bought a bit of everything from the Saville Row catalog to fit in as an Italian count. Laughing


Hence the Laurence LB comment. Laughing
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