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Ocsid
Member Since: 29 Nov 2005
Location: Hampshire
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The vehicle in question is our D4 2016 Landmark.
With no advice in the supplied manual, nor found searching; what is the considered wisdom here about rotating the wheel location to even out wear?
I am assuming the dealer's annual service routine has not included doing so?
The tyres are Pirelli Scorpion Zeros, with 17k miles and the spare unused.
My thoughts are I have now probably left it too late to involve the spare, due to its diameter mismatch?
I would be grateful for advice, thank you.
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 14th Dec 2019 8:35 am |
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Gorilla63
Member Since: 18 May 2019
Location: Bewdley
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I wouldnt introduce a (new) spare to the mix at that mileage. When rotating only 4 tyres, i used to to do as follows every 10,000(kms):
L/rear to L/front
R/rear to R/front
L/front to R/rear
R/front to L/rear.
Incorporating a fifth wheel into the mix, I used to do it every 5,000kms (from new). On my hunting/overlanding vehicles, I used to do the same as with 4, but incorporated two spares instead of one, so I'd rotate all 6 tyres.
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| 14th Dec 2019 8:47 am |
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Gary_P
Member Since: 03 May 2016
Location: Kent
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I never do mine. Don’t have the tools and only do about 7k miles pa anyway.
I seem to remember reading advice stating it’s best not to move them. I have also read that if you swap them you should do so diagonally, rear right to front left etc.
Cheers Gary
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| 14th Dec 2019 9:40 am |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
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which is OK unless you have tyres that are directional, then you can only swap front to back on the same side.
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| 14th Dec 2019 9:54 am |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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It should be done as part of the service, same as all road wheels removed to check brake pad wear and adjust parking brake. Put a chalk mark on the inner side of the tyres before service to tell if it has been done.  It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 14th Dec 2019 5:37 pm |
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Moo
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I wouldn’t bother. I’ve never done mine in over 250,000 miles of D3 / 4. Always had even wear on all four tyres. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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| 14th Dec 2019 6:19 pm |
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flydive
Member Since: 21 Aug 2007
Location: Lugano
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I "rotate" them every season change(Summer/Winter)
Back to front and vice-versa, same side.
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| 14th Dec 2019 6:41 pm |
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Ocsid
Member Since: 29 Nov 2005
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 255
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Thank you all for responding.
I draw from these that rotating their position is not something routinely done.
I wished I had thought of and implemented doing it earlier, as unlike one contributor my wear pattern now at 17k miles, front to back is not "even".
Thanks again for responding. John
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| 17th Dec 2019 7:08 am |
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Gareth
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Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
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I’ve never rotated tyres in my cars life. I did fit the spare and bought 3 new tyres at first tyre change. The best of the old then went as spare, and has been there ever since.
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| 17th Dec 2019 7:15 am |
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Gary_P
Member Since: 03 May 2016
Location: Kent
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Regarding fitting the spare. I understand that there is a potential issue regarding difference in size which is at its largest difference when you have worn tyres and a new spare. But, of course, you may need to fit your spare if you have a puncture. Most people do not rotate their spare onto the car to avoid this. If the tyre is then not repairable that means replacing it with a new. So this raises a few questions in my mind.
1. Does the tyre circumference diameter difference wind up the diff? I seem to remember advice about a recommended maximum difference somewhere.
2. If the tyre is repairable is the advice to get it back on and a new spare off ASAP?
3. In the situation where it isn’t repairable and the spare has wear too, as in your situation Gareth, is it required to buy two new tyres for the axle to avoid the difference?
In the situation the OP finds themselves in, it sounds like it’s a case of monitoring the tyres front and back and replacing a pair when required. I believe the advice is always to put your new tyres on the back, so if it is the front ones that need replacing, then that is the chance to move the current rear ones to the front and replace the rear pair with new.
Cheers
Gary Gary
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| 17th Dec 2019 7:54 am |
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Gareth
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I would hope that a modern 4 wheel drive system can cope with the average wear and potential differences between new old and different makes of tyre.
I do recall reading about the early 4wd systems such as those fitted to the Audi Quattro and Subaru cars were sensitive to tyre size and needed all 4 changing.
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| 17th Dec 2019 8:19 am |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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It is not a problem with vehicles fitted with 3 diffs, it is the part time 4 wheel drives that are a problem, Freelanders including Disco Sport come in that category, they are front wheel drive with a viscous type coupling for the central diff, the moment a difference of 2% is detected between the rotation speed of the front axle to the rear the coupling locks up, fitting new tyres to the rear and worn tyres on the front will cause 4 wheel wind up with the result of a transmission breakdown of the weakest component. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 17th Dec 2019 9:04 am |
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