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Gareth
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simon wrote:Gareth wrote:The Synchrone is a more road biased 4x4 tyre than the Wrangler. It is OK off-road, and will perfectly adequate for my off-road requirements.
I put them on my D2 V8 and it was a lot quieter, and the mpg went up by 1 mpg (13 to 14) .
I have 4 tyres to be fitted on Saturday.
You'll have to give me your initial thoughts on them next week 
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You can have a road test!
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 9th Nov 2005 10:10 pm |
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simon
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Gareth wrote:simon wrote:Gareth wrote:The Synchrone is a more road biased 4x4 tyre than the Wrangler. It is OK off-road, and will perfectly adequate for my off-road requirements.
I put them on my D2 V8 and it was a lot quieter, and the mpg went up by 1 mpg (13 to 14) .
I have 4 tyres to be fitted on Saturday.
You'll have to give me your initial thoughts on them next week
-s
You can have a road test!
And again... cheers mate. Lets hope its dry then rains, snows and freezes hard before the mud slides hit the hill on the way to the pub... all in 4 miles 
Only issues I have with the Goodyear's is the noise when they wear.
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| 9th Nov 2005 10:13 pm |
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Gareth
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Quote:Lets hope its dry then rains, snows and freezes hard before the mud slides hit the hill on the way to the pub... all in 4 miles
Jeez all I want is a few beers 
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| 9th Nov 2005 11:37 pm |
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DaveT
Member Since: 01 Aug 2005
Location: Cornwall
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Mine's running on Pirellis, now done 15k and looking about half worn.
Very slight uneven wear, dealer swapped tyres around at service - side to side not front to rear - not sure why.
They continue to be very quiet and smooth.
I'm also considering the Michelins next time round (hopefully longer life) but also noticed that there appear to be Continentals available, with claimed low resistance / noise. Anyone got any experience of these? Long succession of Disco's since 2001...
SIII Lightweight - neglected & rusting. Bulkhead, A panels, vent panel & outriggers now disintegrated - Next years project!
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| 9th Nov 2005 11:49 pm |
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simon
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Gareth wrote:Quote:Lets hope its dry then rains, snows and freezes hard before the mud slides hit the hill on the way to the pub... all in 4 miles
Jeez all I want is a few beers
Of course... was not being entirely serious
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| 10th Nov 2005 9:40 am |
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Blue
Member Since: 10 Mar 2005
Location: Zaragoza, Spain
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I've just done 10000 Km on Pirellis and so far the road performance has been surprisingly very good (my previous car was a Polo  ).
Only lately they're beginning to squeal more than they used to on corners, and I'm not driving faster.
On gravel, dirt, and rocks they're quite good, but in mud you must drive to keep it from sliding into outer space. Blue
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| 25th Nov 2005 7:34 pm |
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espri
Member Since: 07 Nov 2005
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At my dealer here in Bavaria I have seen Disco's with Pirelli Zero tyres and assumed that they were delivered that way from the factory. Can this be so?
As another aside to this topic, in a test of winter tyres in the 11/2005 issue of AutoBild allesAllrad the Pirelli Scorpion Ice & Snow came out top as "balanced all-round talent with top performance on snow, excellent safety reserves for aquaplaning and short breaking distance but with increased rolling resistance". The Continental 4x4 WinterContact was just about as good. Presumably the Ice & Snow is a completely different tyre to the Zero.
However, with all the snow you have in Britain (Bavaria seems to have missed the latest dump, though the local ski areas are opening this weekend), thought this information might be of use
Eric
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| 26th Nov 2005 9:16 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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Just to throw something else into the mix..... all seven new, unregistered Disco3's at my local dealer were booted with Continetal's - sorry, to dark & cold to get details..... will attempt an expedition next week
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| 26th Nov 2005 9:42 pm |
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Maxim
Member Since: 12 Nov 2005
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| Pirelli zero use in snow? |
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I received my D3 one week ago, fitted with Pirelli zero. On the site of Pirelli these tyres are very good for on- and off-road use but they don't mention snow or ice performance.
I go to ski in the french alps (Tignes) in februari, my dealer told me that fitting winter tyres for this would blame my D3. Can I go there with the P zero's w/o having chaines?
I only have to reach my hotel and hopefully get back . In the past I went there with a std Audi A6 and chains. TDV6 (Belgian) HSE '06
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| 26th Nov 2005 10:21 pm |
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Martin
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I've been led to believe that if the tyres are marked "M+S" (mud + snow) then they are legal to use in the Alps on the snow-covered roads without chains.
I don't know the exact spec on the P Zero's, but it's worth a check of the tyres themselves to see if they are marked M+S.
Oh, and welcome to DISCO3  06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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| 26th Nov 2005 10:49 pm |
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espri
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I hadn't heard about the "M+S" regulation but, checking up, I found on the ADAC web site a page (in German), [url] http://www.adac.de/Search/SearchResult/RW_...okieValue= [/url] with an extensive description of the rules for winter driving in Alpine countries (strangely not including Germany).
Here is my translation of (part of) the section on Austria:
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There is no general requirement to use winter tyres during the winter months. However, where in extreme snow conditions a road closed sign is in force, with the additional information "Excepting vehicles with winter equipment" ("Ausgenommen Fahrzeuge mit Winterausrüstung"), you may only continue when either snow chains or winter tyres (Radial) with a profile depth of at least 4mm are mounted. The winter tyres must be mounted on all wheels. When the restriction requiring "winter equipment" is not specified, tyres can also be used that have a profile depth less than 4mm. Snow chains may be fitted on summer tyres.
If a vehicle does not meet the specified requirements, this can lead to a fine and being banned from driving on the affected road.
Note that All-Year-Tyres are classified as winter tyres when they have a minimum profile depth of 4mm and are marked with M+S.
Snow chains are required wherever you see a round blue roadsign with snowchains on it.
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...then comes a section about spiked tyres, which is probably of less interest to us
The regulations for the other Alpine countries vary a little from the Austrian rules. There is no special mention of M+S tyres in any of them. In France, for example, winter tyres are required for mountain roads; Maxim should also note that there may be a requirement for snow chains in force on some roads. Some countries have special exceptions for 4x4 vehicles. If anyone wants a translation of another section, let me know (my rates are very reasonable  ).
So, it seems to me, that M+S tyres (with enough profile) can qualify (in Austria) as winter tyres but chains might still be essential in some places.
Eric
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| 27th Nov 2005 12:12 am |
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espri
Member Since: 07 Nov 2005
Location: Tyrol, Austria
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A few further thoughts on snow chains.
Just this morning, the news on Austrian television reported that chains had been compulsory for a while on the Südautobahn, the motorway between Vienna and Graz and Klagenfurt (they admitted, though, that it hadn't helped; the road was blocked anyhow, presumably because many vehicles weren't suitably equipped).
The AA web site, [url] http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overs...pment.html [/url], says:
In winter authorities insist on wheel chains and/or winter tyres for many resorts and passes
So I suppose it means, you have to take chains, if you want to be 100% sure (well, 99%). However, probably you won't need them. It might be a good idea to ask at your destination, if there are any roads in the area, where a requirement for snow chains is likely. I have been carrying chains around in my car for the past sixteen years and never used them. Maybe they're like insurance
At the moment, it is snowing quite heavily here. Although I really have work to do (like a tax return  ), the ski slopes are rather tempting for this afternoon
Eric
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| 27th Nov 2005 10:01 am |
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Blue
Member Since: 10 Mar 2005
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My 19" came with Zero Scorpions, type V, not M+S. In Spain, when roads are blocked for cars without chains, you can only get by with the M+S. Blue
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| 28th Nov 2005 10:38 pm |
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Slimer
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18" Pirelli Scorpion Zero V speed rated M+S boots on mine The End
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| 28th Nov 2005 10:46 pm |
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Gareth
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Have to report that the Michelin Synchrones were very good in the snow today. Plenty of grip for braking/accelerating. No nasty surprises.
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| 28th Nov 2005 11:14 pm |
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