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Seriously: it turns out the ‘5 wasn’t McGovern’s design!
Apparently, although he’s taken the credit / blame for it, the Discovery 5 may not have been his design at all, it appears to have been someone I’ve never heard of before - Massimo Frasella:
I don’t think that’s ever been reported here before. Has anyone here ever heard of him? It appears that he used to work for Kia and was responsible for a lot of their cars, cars designed before they started building good looking ones. His explanation of his logic behind the design in the first link is also quite revealing of his understanding of the marque.
Surprisingly, he also claims that he’s responsible for the Velar 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
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11th Dec 2017 6:24 am
Bello35
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Lol, that explains it all...the designer was drunk.
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11th Dec 2017 7:38 am
Pelyma
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Didn’t McGovern do a stint at Lincoln? Seems these 2 have been together quite a bit.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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11th Dec 2017 8:10 am
L319
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If I remember correctly, McGovern was a lead designer for Fords Premier Automotive Group ( LR, Volvo, Lincoln, Jaguar) when LR owned by Ford
11th Dec 2017 9:06 am
J77
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Doesn’t Gerry just oversee all the design, but has other head designers that’s responsible for various parts of the vehicle?23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
11th Dec 2017 10:19 am
Red Merle
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I expects that’s the case, with this man taking responsibility for external styling. You’d be hard pushed to know it though, as I’ve never heard McGovern give credit to, or even mention his team members - which must be pretty disheartening to those working under him.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
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11th Dec 2017 10:38 am
Hairy Dan
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The rear corners are not corners at all but are wide-radius curves. It looks, from the rear view, not so much like a Discovery or any other SUV, but like a cargo-carrying cartoon spaceship
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11th Dec 2017 11:06 am
waterbuoy
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Can't help but think he needs to read some of the tripe he writes about himself and take notice:
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What about the auto industry surprises you?
Often I am surprised by how everyone tends to do the same thing. If you walk around an auto show, you can barely tell the difference between one brand and another. It is far more conservative and safer to follow the trends than create them. At Land Rover, we take great pride in being very distinctive. A Land Rover is a Land Rover – it’s highly recognizable.Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
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11th Dec 2017 11:13 am
RRSTDV8
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The essential truth of this five- or seven-seat utility came instead from Massimo Frascella, the car’s exterior designer, over after-dinner drinks and cigars at a posh resort/bunker in the southern Utah hinterlands. “The old Discovery was an example of industrial design. The new one is a car design,” he said.
There you go. Now you know.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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11th Dec 2017 11:22 am
Red Merle
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Yep! I found that the most telling bit as well...2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
11th Dec 2017 11:27 am
RDR
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Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 2260
Always thought there were other designers doing most of the leg work. I think of McGovern as what Jony Ive is for Apple a design director who has oversight and the final say. I imagine he will set the tone and direction for the marque, brand values and design queues/intent.
And with that I still blame McGovern MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
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11th Dec 2017 5:47 pm
Robbie
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#kia #ford #car_design #d5 #failLand Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
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JLR’s Chris Bangle? Hope the chap who did the D3 (Wheel?) is in charge of the new defender!
11th Dec 2017 6:17 pm
sarumlight
Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
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Posts: 1595
Actually I take that back. While Bangle’s BMWs upset the traditionalists they were fresh and different.
11th Dec 2017 6:18 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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Fresh? Possibly.
Different? Fortunately.
Hideously ugly? Most definitely!
I’m no BMW traditionalist as I just don’t see the attraction in them, but the front of his version of the 7 Series is still one on the nastiest bits of design of all time (it’s even worse than the back end)!2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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