Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
Posts: 2288
Cold start over Dolomites (Italy)
After 2 days in freezing conditions, the FBH won't start using the oval timer, probably due to freezed diesel in to the feeding line (last time the FBH has been used, "normal" diesel fed it up and no more starts occurred after a tank of winter diesel was filled arriving on mountain).
Also tried a fuel priming with iidTool but no way to pre heat the engine with FBH.
FBH takes run again after some minutes of driving and worked perfectly over the next days
Note: battery voltage was 11,8V at time of start (Exide 1000)
As per Robbie guide, glow plugs run 30 secs (key on pos II) before start
- Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
Last edited by Sidestick on 24th Jan 2017 10:41 pm. Edited 3 times in total
24th Jan 2017 9:32 pm
firthy77
Member Since: 03 Dec 2016
Location: Stockport
Posts: 94
I think you may need new Glow Plugs
24th Jan 2017 9:35 pm
Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
Posts: 2288
Glow plugs are all good, and no smoke at start up...
just cold - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
24th Jan 2017 9:36 pm
DN D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
Posts: 2294
Have you checked each of the glow plugs for current draw Sidestick ?, just asking, as the glow plug light operating, does not mean they are actually working, as you may know. D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
24th Jan 2017 10:19 pm
Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
Posts: 2288
Yes, as per Robbie guide i have checked them all,
just waited 30 secs before cranking to permit glow plugs to run the high and low pre heating.
Probably the time spent to check the FBH operations both with oval timer and iidtool have taken my battery a bit low.
Next year i will force to run the FBH after filling the tank with winter diesel...
In the next days after 30 mins of FBH preheating the start has been pretty fine - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
24th Jan 2017 10:29 pm
DN D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
Posts: 2294
I think the battery did pretty well to crank for that long at that temperature. D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
24th Jan 2017 10:33 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72787
Iced up intercooler?
24th Jan 2017 10:34 pm
Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
Posts: 2288
You mean "fuel" intercooler?- Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
24th Jan 2017 10:41 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72787
No, air one. ISTR there was a load of D3/4s & RRSs that were breaking down in low temps and high humidity conditions in the alps as ice formed in the intercooler, starving the engine of air. Peeps were blaming the local fuel but it was only certain cars that were affected.
Just a thought, remember I'm a non-techie so the above may be rubbish.
24th Jan 2017 10:46 pm
Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
Posts: 2288
Thanks DSL,
it could make senses, i'll go in a deep search about this,
also listening at the video seems that engine does not receive fuel or air during first run and again no grey smoke from exhaust could be a symptom of blocked air feeding - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
24th Jan 2017 10:58 pm
Oswiperus D3 Decade
Member Since: 02 Apr 2010
Location: Chelmsford, Essex
Posts: 1590
-21 wow that's bleeding cold
I'm impressed it started!Stu
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24th Jan 2017 11:13 pm
JJD3
Member Since: 09 Nov 2016
Location: Geneva
Posts: 64
Exactly how mine started two weeks ago in the alps. minus 10-15 during the day and colder during the nights. Was there for four days and every first start of the day was like this. All glow plugs have been replaced last year btw.
Last day I drove for 20mins and then the car stopped, no warnings on dash, checked with IID and no faults. Had to have it towed in the end.
To get it running again the fuel system needed bleeding and also replaced the fuel filter, had some moisture in it. I had put in cheap french supermarket diesel so that definitely didn't help.
The tow guy told me he had 6-7 cars a day with the cold, all fuel gelling, older Land Rovers were anything but the exception he told me.
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