Member Since: 16 Dec 2008
Location: Milan Area
Posts: 3249
Now also at the Italians it raises better...
Thanks Graeme, great stuff!
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On the left Giancarlo's Disco3 in LR access mode + Llams controller -20
On the right my Disco3 in LR Offroad mode + Llams Controller + 50
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15th Jan 2011 8:57 pm
GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
Thanks for the feedback Max. I've been watching the Italian thread using google to translate, which whilst obviously isn't perfect, it does give a good idea of people's comments.
Compressor usage would be much less at a constant +50 in normal height than if off-road mode was used due to frequent automatic lowering and having to raise to off-road height again.Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
16th Jan 2011 1:53 am
Preacher
Member Since: 15 Aug 2009
Location: NE Victoria
Posts: 141
graeme
used my Llams system extensivly and am very impressed. My usual modus operandi is - once in the dirt I'll select +30 (Orange) and run at that height - if its starts to get interesting I'll shoot it strait into +50 (Red) and leave it there. When some thing extra interesting appears then it's up with the LR offroad height (question - is it right that it can be locked into LR offroad +50 so that when - each time your speed returns under the 40km it returns to offroad height.)
SO - once really into the scrub over 50 km it is up 50mm and below (if required) its up about 85/90mm - best of both worlds.
I'm again flooded in in Wangaratta - today drove out thru the floodwaters (not real deep at this stage) but couldn't crack a bow wave cause the D3 body was so high.
dj
7th Feb 2011 10:47 am
GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
Hi Preacher,
I'm pleased that you're finding it useful - your use is the same as mine. Occasionally a gravel road is smooth enough for normal height but it doesn't take too many bumps to wish +30 was in use. IMO, +30 makes a big improvement in ride, probably due to both the extra bump-stop clearance and the slightly stiffer springs.
Llams does not reprogram the suspension ecu so LR off-road mode will not be automatically re-selected when speed drops below the reselection threshold of about 35kph.
Maybe you can stay above the flotsam!Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
7th Feb 2011 8:02 pm
Preacher
Member Since: 15 Aug 2009
Location: NE Victoria
Posts: 141
[quote="GraemeS"]Hi Preacher,
I'm pleased that you're finding it useful - your use is the same as mine. Occasionally a gravel road is smooth enough for normal height but it doesn't take too many bumps to wish +30 was in use. IMO, +30 makes a big improvement in ride, probably due to both the extra bump-stop clearance and the slightly stiffer springs.
Llams does not reprogram the suspension ecu so LR off-road mode will not be automatically re-selected when speed drops below the reselection threshold of about 35kph.
Thanks GraemeS
A few times it seemed that the LR offroad height reselected itself but it probably hadn't dropped down - one tends to take the foot of the go pedal when the bong happens.
On another note - my wife has just put her back out and ! was using the GREEN light and the LR access height that lowers the vehicle to get it as low as possible for her entry and exit.
One one occasion I ommitted to switch the GREEN off and travelled on the bitumen and a few KM of dirt road before I realised the suspension was down. HOWEVER it was fine - no rubbing even with the 265 70 17 mud tyers. So another very handy attribute to the Llams system.
Further if I was a lair it would probably look real good cruising around with the suspension right down around the tyers
dj
14th Feb 2011 10:39 am
GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
A person found that Llams was useful when a wheel speed sensor wire was broken. The suspension system lowers the vehicle to around access height whenever an ABS fault is recorded, which would have made for a very difficult exit from the boulder-strewn track where this vehicle was. Llams at +50 kept the vehicle at about normal height, which whilst wasn't anywhere near off-road c/w +50, it was significantly better than access height. He then drove at normal speeds across Tasmania at normal height rather than slowly at access height to get to a dealer.Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
17th Feb 2011 7:31 pm
Panoramix
Member Since: 16 Dec 2008
Location: Milan Area
Posts: 3249
Another good news about this magic controller
Max
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LR4 "Enterprise", 5.0 V8 Petrol: now factory style but it will be like that for a long time
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17th Feb 2011 7:57 pm
WayneD
Member Since: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Sydney Darwin ,Singapore, USA, UK and now country NSW
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The sytem has arrived in Singapore. I am out in a couple of weeks 4wding in Malaysia and have hitched a ride with a D3 owner who has just purchased the system, dont know if he will have it fitted by then but will get to have a close up look at it in action soon. I can see one going to Darwin! Take the road less traveled. Dual battery system.ORS drawers,LR cargo Barrier.ARB Bull bar,side protection bars,Mickey Thompson ATR's 17" rims, Rear wheel carrier, radiator guard TPMS Mitchell Bros Tow Hitch LR RAI Steel Rims , GME UHF, Off Road GPS, Llams (yet to be fitted)
22nd Feb 2011 1:30 am
jh972
Member Since: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 37
Thanks Graeme,
I was just going to post about this great added benefit of Llams, but I see you've done it.
Sure saved me what could have been a massive recovery cost.2007 TDV6 SE Stornoway Gray
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1st Mar 2011 5:35 am
GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
Sorry for stealing your thunder, and thanks for the challenge back in 2008 to develop a solution to the constant lowering - IIRC on or after Madigan's.Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
2nd Mar 2011 8:23 am
Desert Traveller
Member Since: 06 Aug 2006
Location: The Gabba - QLD
Posts: 420
I had just a little problem. The jumper in LLAMS controller fell out without me knowing and I started getting faults with the suspension which did not allow any LR height settings. I thought the problem must have been not pushing the connectors fully together. I decided to go through the whole process again, disconnecting the batteries and pulling the connectors apart and then reconnecting the connectors. Then I heard something "rattling" around in the controller box, and I found the jumper had come loose.
After recalibration everything worked perfectly, no faults. Now I am really happy.
The jumper is a 1 cent part and it caused a $100k vehicle the suspension to "fail".06 TDV6 SE with many LR and after-market extras. Used only on weekends and trips out west.
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3rd Apr 2011 7:20 am
caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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Desert Traveller wrote:
The jumper is a 1 cent part and it caused a $100k vehicle the suspension to "fail".
A bit like the 1 cent parts on the rest of the D3? “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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3rd Apr 2011 7:56 am
GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
The 9 cent gold plated jumper needs to be pressed fully onto the pins as the crimp is right at the top. I've discarded a few that weren't very tight but it seems that I've missed at least 1 - sorry DT. The jumper doesn't need to be fitted but because its used for re-calibration (a screwdriver can be used instead if you're quick), a spare post is provided so that it can be fitted over 2 posts. The few prototype PCBs didn't have the spare post and it was a bit hit and miss as to whether the jumper stayed on just 1 post. The next version will only have 2 posts to use a screwdriver and without the need to be quick.
Edit: Calibration can be easily achieved without using the jumper by setting the switch to +50 then shorting posts 1 & 2 together with a screwdriver. If the vehicle has already started to rise, it will soon drop back to normal height once posts 1 & 2 have been shorted because initiating calibration cancels any current height adjustment. Then continue with setting the switch to -20 when at normal height etc. A new module has zero height adjustments stored so +50 will have not cause the vehicle to rise prior to calibration.Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
3rd Apr 2011 9:19 pm
chm
Member Since: 30 May 2010
Location: Rivonia
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Best way to get a set in South Africa?regards, Carl-Hein
3rd Apr 2011 10:08 pm
~Rich~
Member Since: 16 Mar 2009
Location: Sydney
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Desert Traveller wrote:
I had just a little problem. The jumper in LLAMS controller fell out without me knowing and I started getting faults with the suspension which did not allow any LR height settings. I thought the problem must have been not pushing the connectors fully together. I decided to go through the whole process again, disconnecting the batteries and pulling the connectors apart and then reconnecting the connectors. Then I heard something "rattling" around in the controller box, and I found the jumper had come loose.
After recalibration everything worked perfectly, no faults. Now I am really happy.
The jumper is a 1 cent part and it caused a $100k vehicle the suspension to "fail".
Ah another plus for knowing how to fit the kit even if you didn't!
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