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Happy to be further convinced otherwise but everything I read (and was told by the Tracker guy) says there is a problem with JLR keyless entry....
The internet seems heavy with reports of this using simple google searches from respectable sites.
"Another technique can be used to fool the vehicle into unlocking the doors, giving thieves access to the car without their having to break windows and risk setting off alarms or activating immobilisers."
"Jaguar Land Rover engineers propose that customers be supplied with a key to lock the car, in addition to the key fob. This could be in “mechanical form”, fitting into an old-fashioned keyhole in the door" June 2015.
I could go on.
Just trying to work out whether the keyless entry and start system needs more protecting Robbie. Are you sure that the systems aren't being hacked?
How are you so sure my fellow LR owner?
I want to be convinced and have the easiest and safest route to ownership.
Views?
6th Feb 2016 7:42 pm
Robbie
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The security flaws have nothing to do with the operation of the keyless system per se, so the tinfoil bag (or hat) will not help.
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Hey Robbie,
I'm really grateful for your views here, you seem (sorry, are) to be a poster/member of this forum with considerable knowledge.
I've a £60K motor sitting on my drive and you are the first person to confirm that there are security flaws with it.
What are these please and what do you recommend I do to minimise the risks posed?
I don't quite understand how the keyless entry and engine start aren't flawed as there seem to be numerous internet based articles suggesting they are BUT I'll run with your view.
MY2016 D4. What's the security flaws and what do you recommend I do? I have thought of adding an aftermarket alarm but as stated am wary of that interfering with the LR one.
These forums are excellent for knowledge share and to learn from people like you. I've done a tracker but that's for when it's nicked not preventing it. So far I've invested in a disklock and fobguard.
What else would you recommend?
Thanks Robboe
6th Feb 2016 9:50 pm
Robbie
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There is a massive thread on this subject, with some polarised views. It could be a good read.
Clearly I will not (fully) explain the security flaws or how to exploit them.
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I would hope you wouldn't but maybe you'd be gracious enough to PM me your views on how best to protect mine?
I've enjoyed this string and this is a great forum, more widely used than RRSport.co.uk which I also enjoyed and found thoroughly useful. Both were and are far better than the Audi RS forum which seems populated by too many egos and too few genuine enthusiasts IMHO.
I could spend much money on securing my D4 but do me a favour Robbie, PM me and give me your views which are what I'd value.
Cheers now, over and out as they apparently say!
6th Feb 2016 11:57 pm
Dannyson
Member Since: 14 Oct 2014
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I think we would all appreciate how better to secure our vehicles..... without disclosing the flaws and work arounds.... 2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
The low frequency antenna in that handle broadcasts a weak signal saying who and what it is.
If the fob is very close (within a metre) to that particular door handle it will decide if it is the correct car; if so it will transmit a high frequency signal with its own unique ID and authorisation code back to the vehicle.
Vehicle receives this new signal and the KVM decides if it is valid or not. If so it tells the appropriate handle that it may be unlocked and the lock mechanism is semi-prepared.
Bloke pulls on same handle and as it passes through around 80% of its travel it sends a signal back to the KVM. If the KVM is still happy that all the parameters remain valid it directs the lock to operate the fast latch release.
Door opens for the bloke, probably unaware of all the stuff going on in the background.
That sounds good - so how do I get mine to do it? Nothing happens with mine until I fumble about to get the fob, and press the correct button.A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
Indeed. But it highlights that not every D3/4 has the same security system operating and that some could be liable to particular forms of attack.A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
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