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D4 seized engine
My 23 month old 41,000 mile D4 is currently at the dealers having a new engine and turbo fitted because the original engine seized as I was travelling up the dual carriageway last week.
Has anyone else heard of any problems with the 3 litre TDV6? It has been serviced on the dot and the engine oil was upto the correct level. The dealer says there was a lot of swarf and debris in the oil but they don't strip it down, they just return to the manufacturer. It's a shame because the vehicle had been faultess until then.
The thing that suprised me was that when the Landrover Assist man came out I expected him to say it could be a faulty electrics or something but the first thing he said was that he thought the engine might be seized. This makes me wonder whether the 3 litre TDV6 is a bit prone to this?
Enterprise supplied me with a 1500 mile HSE on the same day as the breakdown so I am being looked after well enough but I'm not sure how long mine is going to be out of action for.2016 D4 Landmark - Waitomo/Ebony
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27th Sep 2011 10:45 am
wiggs
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Check what oil your servicing dealer is useing .
I found that when i went to get some top up oil from a dealer they told me it was the same oil as the d3 ( they use the same oil for both ) ....which its obviously not G4 Gone ...but not forgotten
27th Sep 2011 12:18 pm
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27th Sep 2011 12:29 pm
crews control
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wiggs wrote:
...when i went to get some top up oil from a dealer they told me it was the same oil as the d3
I've had three franchised dealers tell me the same thing!!!
Looks like they may have a problem?
In the end I had to go to a Jaguar dealer to get the right oil and they advised strongly against using the D3 oil in this engine.
Don't know how to ensure I get the right oil at the first service due in a couple of months?
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27th Sep 2011 1:11 pm
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27th Sep 2011 1:24 pm
wiggs
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i will be wanting to see there oil spec sheet ...and them signing to say its the correct oil
they must have COSHH sheets for the oilG4 Gone ...but not forgotten
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27th Sep 2011 2:10 pm
bobbroom
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Out of intrest what is the difference in specification between D3 and D4 oil?
27th Sep 2011 2:28 pm
wiggs
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D4 one is a low ash oil ..something to do with the DP filterG4 Gone ...but not forgotten
27th Sep 2011 2:42 pm
crews control
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On that basis, you wouldn't think that the wrong oil would have resulted in hc76's seized engine? Wouldn't it just effect the DPF and CAT? I've heard of a couple of D3's that have seized but can't remember a D4 that's gone bang before. Sorry to hear of your problems.
27th Sep 2011 4:46 pm
wiggs
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No idea ...without looking into the oil specs properly .
Im not saying its the oil thats caused it ...but they recomend a particular oil for the 3 litre engine for a reason .
I would be also concerened about the lack of no dipstick ...and the oil level being reliant on an electronic switch .
Even a basic diesel engine i deal with at work has a minimum of 2 oil sensors (pressure and level )
It could just be a component failure in the engine ...but i doubt we will ever find out if its being shipped back without taking a peek first .G4 Gone ...but not forgotten
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Any oil is better than no oil, but if the main dealer is using the wrong spec then they should be told, it's amazing how they get it wrong.
We need a full spec sheet for the oil...
Not good for the end user, its these sort of problems that let down the good name of Land Rover..
An electronic oil level sensor is a sensor too far....as it can fail + if it fails & shows a level when you havent actually got one....damaged or compromised engine.
A dip stick onthe other hand is a "fundamental instrument" it doesnt need calibrating & cant fail...OK it can be ignored but that would go with general neglect of a vehicle by the user.
I just wonder of those of us on here - how often they check:
Oil Level ?
Other engine bay fluid levels ?
Tyre pressures ?
Bulbs at the back ?
...mine are done every week...old fashioned but I'm sure all is ok with user maintenance
Question:
Has the D4 got a lights out / bulb failure sensor ?...I know the D3 hasnt
Even some quite basic cars have these...& not new technology...my Volvo 240 had one of these as standard
In my opinion just as if not more important as an oil level sensor.....
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28th Sep 2011 7:39 am
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Re: Have to say this....
BLFarrar wrote:
I just wonder of those of us on here - how often they check:
Oil Level ?
Other engine bay fluid levels ?
Tyre pressures ?
Bulbs at the back ?
...mine are done every week...old fashioned but I'm sure all is ok with user maintenance
You would get shot in the military, ALL of these should be part of your DAILY vehicle inspection BEFORE setting off
28th Sep 2011 8:25 am
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Oil and screen wash etc, weekly for me. I have never had to add any oil to my current D3, last one used 1L per 15k.
Tyre pressures I do check weekly too.
Brake fluid - I never look
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