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Esf....p140a and p132b
[hi guys,, recently when starting the car in the morning, esf comes up and I understand that I have no turbo because I cannot hear it, and because there is no power.
Read the fault codes namely p132b and p140a. The strange thing is that when engine heats up and I switch off the engine and turn it back on, turbo works fine and the car goes like a rocket!
Will have to add that ergs are blanked.
Have also checked that the actuator arm moves freely.
I'm really confused and upset as this is hard to diagnose, and would appreciate any help and advice.
9th May 2014 4:08 pm
stav
Member Since: 14 Nov 2013
Location: Athens
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Thats strange
12th May 2014 9:11 am
crazy
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Enter here the error code and see the result: the first error concerns the turbo and the second the egr.
Really strange but perhaps the hard reset or delete the error codes can help you.Landy lover
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12th May 2014 10:41 am
bottleman
Member Since: 02 Sep 2013
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Hi.i already did the hard reset/delete but nothing happened.I went to the garage and we finally saw that one of the egrs(turbo side) stays open,as a result of that the turbo loses pressure and thats why we have a fault also there.We order an egr we will change it and we hope everything to be normal again.
Thanks
16th May 2014 3:13 pm
nighthawk
Member Since: 24 Jul 2010
Location: Malta
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I don't really believe in this theory. The EGR's only recirculate exhaust gases to the intake. If the EGRs are blanked they are always closed, irrelevant of whether their mechanism is stuck open, closed or anywhere in between.
If what you're saying is true, then at least some of the hundreds of people who have blanked their EGR's years ago (me included) would have encountered this problem.
This is the first I've heard about replacing a blanked EGR Dennis
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16th May 2014 3:26 pm
bottleman
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I will agree with you Dennis.One other thing i notice yesterday is that with the esf on, the car has not much power from 2000 to 3000 rpm but after 3000 rpm and with the transmission selected in manual mode it is super,that means the turbo is working good.So something happens between 2000 to 3000rpm,and also esf comes only when i am not accelerating and stays there.If i stop and start the engine maybe does not come again and when the car has the normal temperature everything is ok,that is the reason i think something happens with the recirculation gas system.Maybe it is something wrong with the electric part of the egr,and that will we change and not the hole egr.
You haven't said what MY the car is.Mark.
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17th May 2014 8:25 am
bottleman
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It it 2,7 tdv6 2005 my
17th May 2014 12:36 pm
nighthawk
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Hi bottleman,
Are you 100% absolutely positive that the EGR's are blanked?
With the EGR's blanked, it makes no difference at all whether they're open, closed, half open, or electrically dead.
I do sometimes get EGR faults logged on my D3, but they NEVER affect performance because they're blanked with BAS blanking kit (and all ugly pipework removed). I find them occasionally when I hook up my IID Tool but obviously don't care about them.
If your EGRs are affecting the car/turbo in any way then they are probably not blanked, or possibly not blanked correctly... leaking?Dennis
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18th May 2014 8:58 am
stav
Member Since: 14 Nov 2013
Location: Athens
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really strange situation, but i confirm that bottlemans car works fine when hot, with low down power and no esf message. The problem occurs in the morning before the engine warms up. The million dollar question is, why if the actuator is the problem, everything works fine when engine is warm. Its strange to accept that the turbo and or actuator works at will.....
20th May 2014 5:22 pm
nighthawk
Member Since: 24 Jul 2010
Location: Malta
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Heat causes things to expand. This might give moving parts enough clearance to clear the stuff blocking them and work well.
Similarly heat softens gummed up stuff. Similar to how hot water pulls all stuff off dirty dishes while cold water doesn't.
Similarly electrical contacts expand when hot, this slight expansion might make the difference between contact and no contact. I had an old graphics card in an old computer that would not display anything on screen for the first few minutes after turning the computer on. Suddenly it would come to life when things got warmed up.
I had a faulty MAF sensor on my D3 which would throw up an ESF when cold, but NEVER when hot.
You can never tell what heat can/can't do.
I cannot tell you for sure that your problem is a faulty turbo, but it is definitely looking like it. But if it was my car I would definitely be ruling out the EGRs assuming they are completely blanked and not leaking.Dennis
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20th May 2014 5:43 pm
stav
Member Since: 14 Nov 2013
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off to Sahara desert then Bottleman.....
22nd May 2014 11:19 am
nighthawk
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If I were in bottleman's place... I would start in 2 places:
1. Really giving that actuator a REALLY GOOD workout while emptying a can of WD40 on it
2. Checking the integrity of the EGR blanks (out of curiosity, what blanking kit was used? BAS? Pipework still in place or removed?)Dennis
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22nd May 2014 11:28 am
bottleman
Member Since: 02 Sep 2013
Location: NIKEA
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Dear Dennis
1 Two months ago i removed the turbo from the car because of the sticky actuator.I splited ,checked, and cleaned the turbo checked the actuator rod movement and refitted again on the car.I paid €600 to the Land Rover official dealer.So i beleive that, it is not the turbo.
2.I dont know exactly the egr blanked kit because i bought the car with it,but the kit has four metal plates,two for each side.(down,Up)The egr pipes have been removed.
Anyway, tommorow i will try to spray again wd40 to the actuator and i will change the egr sensor C probably on Monday
Thanks
Kostas
22nd May 2014 4:11 pm
nighthawk
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Very strange... I'm stumped Dennis
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