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RRSTDV8
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DG wrote:RRSTDV8 wrote:
You bought a D5 and you loved it. Great. Just accept that others don't like it. It's not a personal attack on you although they way you jump at anyone saying bad things about the D5 certainly feels like you see it as that.
Typical of you to take this angle...I asked "how do you know?" on the basis that you might have actually made a direct comparison by sitting in both...of course though you couldn't have, could you, so it's just your assumption that £48k must be worth it just for some different seats.
I have sat in both D5 and FFRR rear seats however my experience alone wouldn't be enough to prove anything, would it? But many others have come to the same conclusion and posted here and elsewhere about the D5's rear seats being uncomfortable. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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30th Dec 2021 3:40 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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nebc100 wrote:
I am sure that I will be hated for posting this, but these are just my own personal opinions.
No hatred at all. Many have found the D5 not to be to their liking but it works for you so is an excellent choice for you.
The Disco 5 is LR's worst seller which might suggest LR got something wrong somewhere. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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30th Dec 2021 5:01 pm |
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DG
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
I have sat in both D5 and FFRR rear seats however my experience alone wouldn't be enough to prove anything, would it? But many others have come to the same conclusion and posted here and elsewhere about the D5's rear seats being uncomfortable.
As has been pointed out the D5 seats have recently been upgraded with the facelift, not that any of my passengers complained in all the 3 years I had the 2018my motor. Maybe the issue was more noticeable to taller people.
Surprised that you managed to find the new 7 seat Range Rover to sit in though, which dealer? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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30th Dec 2021 6:28 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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What is telling is that we are all united by our love for the D3/4. I think it’s reasonable to say that the majority of D3 owners on this forum stayed with the marque and purchased a D4 as a replacement. Some of us owned multiple D3/4’s.
Where as it would appear to be the minority on this forum who replaced their D3/4 with a D5. Which to me indicated that the D5 has a limited appeal for a variety of reasons. Which doesn’t make it a bad vehicle, it’s most certainly not, it just doesn’t have such universal appeal.
I still mourn the passing of the D4. I wish LR had treated it as MB has the G-Wagen. I’d buy an updated new D4 in a flash. I’d probably keep the FFRR as well though. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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30th Dec 2021 7:27 pm |
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DG
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I think you are right in the sense that the D5 was never going to be a D4 replacement. Never look back IMO. Yes, they were great in the day but everything moves on ...I would have found it difficult not to stretch my finances to another D5 had a hybrid been available but I have to say that the DS has impressed me far more than I could have believed. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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30th Dec 2021 8:08 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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DG wrote:RRSTDV8 wrote:
I have sat in both D5 and FFRR rear seats however my experience alone wouldn't be enough to prove anything, would it? But many others have come to the same conclusion and posted here and elsewhere about the D5's rear seats being uncomfortable.
As has been pointed out the D5 seats have recently been upgraded with the facelift, not that any of my passengers complained in all the 3 years I had the 2018my motor. Maybe the issue was more noticeable to taller people.
Surprised that you managed to find the new 7 seat Range Rover to sit in though, which dealer?
I'm talking about the middle row seats (being a driver of a 5 seat vehicle I habitually refer to row 2 as "the rear seats". Mea culpa). The new FFRR appears to have large luxurious seats in row 2 just as the L405 did before it. They were comfortable in L405 and no doubt the new ones will be too. D5's are not, in my experience.
Having tried the third row seats in a D5, they certainly aren't suitable for a 6 footer of "middle-aged dimensions" although I'm sure a very short trip would have been ok.
I'd be amazed if the FFRR row 3 seats are suitable for larger people either, to be fair. I don't think any car has third row seats that are, really. I shall certainly be interested to try them out when I can, just for completeness of data if nothing else.
I've tried the row 2 seats in a new Defender and they immediately felt better than the D5 ones. I did a back-to-back test as both vehicles were there and open to play with. Night and day difference to me.
D5's row 2 seats are definitely different to those in any of the other large LRs and, in my experience, not well designed. Judging by many comments here and elsewhere, my experience is not unique. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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30th Dec 2021 11:31 pm |
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RRSTDV8
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LT wrote:What is telling is that we are all united by our love for the D3/4.
Steady on, I wouldn't go that far...
There are times I wish my RRS had a larger boot, but otherwise I prefer the handling with the active anti roll bars on both my RRSs to the softer roll set up in D3s and D4s I've driven. That and the better engine range available in the smaller model. Shame the D4 never got the TDV8 or, in the UK, the V8 petrol. I do miss the TDV8 I had. Excellent engine. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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30th Dec 2021 11:35 pm |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10361
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Wasn’t the TDV8 prone to problems, blown turbos, etc.
Al Volvo XC90 B5 Plus Dark
Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
Ancient - D3 TDV6 S - Tonga with Ebony, 20" Stormers, satnav & DVD
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31st Dec 2021 8:55 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23866
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RRSTDV8 wrote:LT wrote:What is telling is that we are all united by our love for the D3/4.
Steady on, I wouldn't go that far...
There are times I wish my RRS had a larger boot, but otherwise I prefer the handling with the active anti roll bars on both my RRSs to the softer roll set up in D3s and D4s I've driven. That and the better engine range available in the smaller model. Shame the D4 never got the TDV8 or, in the UK, the V8 petrol. I do miss the TDV8 I had. Excellent engine.
You’re a “visitor”. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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31st Dec 2021 9:15 am |
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RRSTDV8
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al cope wrote:Wasn’t the TDV8 prone to problems, blown turbos, etc.
Al
If they're not looked after, yes they can have problems. But the V6s are prone to slipped bearing shells and snapped cranks. I know which I'd rather have to pay to repair... 8) Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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31st Dec 2021 10:06 am |
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RRSTDV8
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LT wrote:RRSTDV8 wrote:LT wrote:What is telling is that we are all united by our love for the D3/4.
Steady on, I wouldn't go that far...
There are times I wish my RRS had a larger boot, but otherwise I prefer the handling with the active anti roll bars on both my RRSs to the softer roll set up in D3s and D4s I've driven. That and the better engine range available in the smaller model. Shame the D4 never got the TDV8 or, in the UK, the V8 petrol. I do miss the TDV8 I had. Excellent engine.
You’re a “visitor”.
Ah, yes, er....
Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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31st Dec 2021 10:07 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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A bit like me going on the RRS forum and saying I prefer the softer ride of the D4. Which I do. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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31st Dec 2021 10:24 am |
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mse
Member Since: 27 Jun 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 2707
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
The Disco 5 is LR's worst seller which might suggest LR got something wrong somewhere.
I think thats easily accounted
Cost - it was a price increase, but then they all went up
Rear - widely hated and whilst spec in earlier versions helped mask it and the facelift, it really did hurt it, which leads to
First version did not appeal to the "usual" D4/5 brigade which then didnt help
But overall the D5 is better than the D4, i never had a d3 as i hated it before it was launched.
In terms of space, the D5 isnt small - i was always able to get everything i transported in my D4 in the D5, i would admit there were some elements that were better as a van in the D4, but the discovery, like the volvo needed to evolve from Van
But then i always through the original RRS was better than the D4 the only think was the smaller boot
The D5 should have had the split tailgate like the range rover Mike
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4th Jan 2022 8:03 am |
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grzesiul
Member Since: 11 May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 6415
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that ugly duckling will never become a beautiful swan
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4th Jan 2022 8:53 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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I tried to order a D5 SE Dynamic today with a few options. The dealer showed me lead times and which options on my spec were no longer available. Suggested I come back in March and hopefully I should be able to order then.
His availability order list was one mass of red! D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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4th Jan 2022 12:09 pm |
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