Martin wrote:

We have accidentally deleted the recent SDD discussion thread

Martin wrote:

Hi all,

We have accidentally deleted the recent SDD discussion thread, I will work to recover it from the database backup and cached pages.

Martin

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alex_pescaru wrote:

Martin,
I understand and thank you for that, but the question remains: do you think that a topic like "How to build yourself a fault code reader" will conflict with someone?

It will always conflict with someone. You can't please everyone

Same as when I started doing my How-To's. A forum member took offence to that, as I showed how easy some jobs could be, and it must have started eating into his workload with people doing the jobs themselves

However, I would say a big disclaimer should be added to the beginning of the thread. Playing with CCF files are not something that should be done without knowing what you are doing, and what the potential implications are, beforehand.
Even if you do know what you are doing, you could still it all up

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Car Configuration File editing and SDD

There are some independents and enthusiasts out there that have an J2534 pass-through interface (or even the original interface) and are using the SDD environment to diagnose and modify the cars.
It is known that JLR doesn't let you modify any parameters on the CCF (car configuration file) but only a few ones.
For those interested to modify ANY and ALL parameters of the CCF, from inside the current/newer versions of SDD - much more elegant from my point of view - I can provide you with a method that will allow you to do what you want with the CCF.

Download this file. Password: modify_ccf_from_sdd
Backup the same files from SDD's "......\XML" folder and replace with these ones.
Then restart the SDD and start a new session. Starting a new session is important because the SDD makes a backup of the current session and many things are took from there when diagnosing the car.
Then use the "Modify the current Car Configuration File" option from the Service Functions.
Take note that any later DVD software update will overwrite/rewrite by default the same files, so you need to preserve them in a way and replace again.

Below, for those who know what I am talking about, it's a printscreen that shows the proof/ability to modify/personalize any CCF option, all done from inside the SDD (printscreen showing DVD134 CCF editing section and sorry, it's for editing L359 CCF, but the process is the same)

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WTF is this all about????

Looks rather

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Interesting development!

So what would be the cheapest way of getting the kit needed to do this?

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What do you mean?
All the necessary info is in the first post.
You need the SDD, a SDD compatible interface and the mod described.... That's all.

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Ok, that's me told.

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Lost me as well.

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SDD (Symptom Driven Diagnostics) is the software that dealers are using for diagnosing your cars. It's free to download here: http://www.diagnosticdelivery.com/idscentral/
Also the interfaces used with this software have dropped in price from thousands of pounds to just a couple of hundreds. For example here: https://jlrequipment.service-solutions.com...tID=327795
Reason? This: http://www.freel2.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11383/VCI.pdf
Not to mention the clones that have already appeared and are much, much cheaper and works OK.

What I posted is a mod for that software, software that now is pretty accessible to the enthusiasts, for allowing them a much wider range of possibilities for modding their cars.

Of course, some will say that SDD it's difficult to use and tie you to a laptop.
Indeed, at first could be frightening, but after you know it well and apply it a few tweaks will be the most up to date diagnostic and programming tool on the market for all JLR's models... (JLR will take care of that, after all it's their tool, isn't it? )

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Alex that is what i have waited for a long time

Thank you

have not tried it out yet but hope it will do a trick

what is software level limit for that (will it work with legacy as well (125.03 for example)
Adam

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So what is the cheapest interface option to gain SDD functionality?

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DA - dongle pass through

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Take a look at this bulletin: http://www.freel2.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11383/VCI.pdf

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Alex

I really wish you would think at least a little of the implication of what you post before you post.

For many years we have provided diagnostic capabilty that has benefitted countless Land Rover owners, but we have been very sure that how we are able to do this remains a mystery.

Congratulations on publically telling the Germans that their enigma code has been broken.

For sure we will all be thanking you in droves when LR now seeing your post now institues a new and much higher level of security.

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Adigorn wrote:
what is software level limit for that (will it work with legacy as well (125.03 for example)


The files are taken from the DVD135, the current one.
I can't say for sure, but should be backward compatible with 125.
But on 125 those files aren't encrypted like on the later releases. You can modify them with a plain text editor and you'll have the full functionality right away.

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I believe this is said item (hard wear side of things)

http://www.obd2tool.co.uk/wholesale/latest...evice.html

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The files are taken from the DVD135, the current one.
I can't say for sure, but should be backward compatible with 125.
But on 125 those files aren't encrypted like on the later releases. You can modify them with a plain text editor and you'll have the full functionality right away.


Can you put some more light how?
i was convinced you need an engineering code to do so (to enter engineering mode)
as most of the boxes are still grey (if you now what i mean )

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So if I am reading this right I can connect my AE ProLine VCI dongle (not on the LR list but I guess the functionality is defined by the standards), load a free copy of SDD, follow your instructions and I will have a full VIN-free CCF editing capability having bought zero extra kit?

Looks too good to be true.

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BBS SPY
Don't be so sure about that... And in the end, what's man made can be fixed, this is how I was told at school.
And who wanted to modify the CCF until now, has done it already and didn't trip on the JLR encryption method. One can use one of the older SDD versions where the files weren't encrypted.
And just like you did on your products.
And without wanting to start a flame, like you trying to do, my progress was somehow motivated by your sarcastic comments about my posts... And by your product errors...
Anyhow, I was just trying to help the community. If you'll loose something from that, tough luck, but don't try to put it in such a light that now the world will come to an end.
Like a stupid geek like me has done it, many could done it and for sure LR knows that.
If the moderators or the owner think that I am out of line, they could delete the thread and that's all.
Again, I was just trying to help the community, free of charge and without interest, like I've always done it. You could ask the guys from Freel2 forum.

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Robbie wrote:
So if I am reading this right I can connect my AE ProLine VCI dongle (not on the LR list but I guess the functionality is defined by the standards), load a free copy of SDD, follow your instructions and I will have a full VIN-free CCF editing capability having bought zero extra kit?
Looks too good to be true.



If SDD is recognizing your interface like a compatible/accepted one, then yes, you can edit the CCF.
I've posted a couple of posts above a document with the compatible interfaces.

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Adigorn wrote:
i was convinced you need an engineering code to do so (to enter engineering mode) as most of the boxes are still grey (if you now what i mean )


For allowing CCF's modification, indeed, you need to have the correct level of access.

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I was referring to the PDF file posted on the first post, this page.
Up until now the JLR says that only the below interfaces are supported.

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Hi Alex,

Yes I read the table but I found this bit more encouraging:

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Note: As required under EURO-5 vehicle compliance standards the IDS/SDD Diagnostic System is capable of supporting additional VCI devices which will not be listed on the Land Rover approved list above. However, these units will not be supported by Land Rover Technical Support or SPX Customer Service Help Line.


So there is hope, albeit without Land Rover technical support (!).

Which SDD version should I download or do I just pick the latest filename?

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In this moment, you'll need only
SDD_DVD135_FULL.exe
VDF_L_DVD135_V5.exe
First is the program itself and the last contains all firmwares (calibration files like LR use to call them) for all ECUs and all AS-BUILT files up to file's date date.
But be aware that the program will only function for 24h without a valid (paid) subscription that must be entered online. Just like a demo, in a way.
The earlier versions of the DVD allowed you to enter a combination of user/password for allowing you off-line access. Just google the net for DVD129, DVD130 or DVD131 user/password and you'll find them.
Also the 24h period and the level of access could be avoided, but this is another issue that really touches the reverse engineering and copyright stuff issues and shouldn't be discussed over a forum.

I, for one, am using a Mongoose interface, which comes with all the needed software to fully enjoy the full and unrestricted functionality of the SDD. And it was only 60 USD... I can PM you the details if you're interested .

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