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purplebadger

Member Since: 20 Jul 2014
Location: Scotland
Posts: 16

2010 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 XS Auto Unknown Colour

Exhaust rattle (pulse) on idle

First non-hello post, so please go easy.

Got my used late-2010 D4 last week and have been absolutely loving it. My face fell a little today when I stood outside the car while it was idling and noticed a rattle coming from the driver's side rear. Was almost a slow, pulsing rattle as the engine turned over, but not in time with the engine - much slower. Once I got the car home, I had another look and realised if I put even a little pressure on the pipe the noise would stop, so I'm guessing something in the mounting towards the end of the exhaust has gone wrong or become loose.

I wasn't sure of etiquette about reviving old posts, but this sounds like a very similar issue - but I don't really want to take a mallet to it!

http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic107205.html

I'm not *hugely* mechanically minded, but if it is just the last mount (I think it's this part? http://britishparts.co.uk/products/8126-exhaust-mount-DBP7104), can anyone tell me how complicated it'd be to fix myself?

That and any other advice very much appreciated.

23rd Jul 2014 9:30 pm

caverD3

Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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2012 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 SE Auto Fuji White

Broken compressor bracket.

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23rd Jul 2014 10:06 pm

purplebadger

Member Since: 20 Jul 2014
Location: Scotland
Posts: 16

You think? Do you not have to jack it up using it, or otherwise damage it, for it to specifically go?

Edit: or, is there anything else I can do to confirm that diagnosis? Would it make more noise at particular heights, for example?

Would holding the exhaust make that stop rattling? I figured it's a mounting on the exhaust itself. If I apply pressure to the one in the picture I linked to, it stops altogether.

23rd Jul 2014 10:57 pm

caverD3

Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922

When you said pipe, I thought you meant air hose.

Have a good look and bend bits to suit wouls be easier. Unless the rubber mount is actually broken or missing.

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23rd Jul 2014 11:10 pm

Disco_Mikey

Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
Posts: 20858

2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Auto Cairns Blue

More than likely just a heat shield touching the exhaust, or there is a known issue with the rear part of the exhaust, covered under a TSB

EDIT:

http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic63379.html

The Large One wrote:
MartinR wrote:
Topix has a bulletin that sounds related: LTB00479v2 3.0L TDV6 Exhaust Weld
Don't suppose anyone knows what it says?

SECTION: 309-00
3.0L TDV6 Exhaust Weld
AFFECTED VEHICLE RANGE:
Discovery 4 / LR4 (LA)
Model Year: 2010-2012
VIN: AA510178-CA638508

Range Rover Sport (LS)
Model Year: 2010-2012
VIN: AA212145-CA771688

MARKETS:
All Diesel Markets
CONDITION SUMMARY:
Situation:
This bulletin is for information only.

This version has been issued for a change to the Summary.

NOTE: The one piece exhaust is production fit only. For service repairs where the weld has broken prior to the cut off VIN numbers please refer to TOPIx Workshop Manual, section 309-00 Exhaust System for repair guidance.

A new (weld less) one piece exhaust system has now been introduced from Production from the following VIN numbers â€“ Discovery 4 â€“ CA638508 Range Rover Sport â€“ CA771688

If appropriate a local repair of the weld can be claimed under a ZZZ001 warranty claim.

Cause: Poor weld during manufacturing of the exhaust at the supplier.

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24th Jul 2014 5:31 am

purplebadger

Member Since: 20 Jul 2014
Location: Scotland
Posts: 16

caverD3 wrote:
When you said pipe, I thought you meant air hose.

Have a good look and bend bits to suit wouls be easier. Unless the rubber mount is actually broken or missing.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, but I did mean the metal exhaust pipe and not a hose of any kind. If I put even a little pressure on it the rattling decreases dramatically, and if I hold it firm it stops completely, so I'm reasonably sure it's "just" a mounting somewhere.

The rubber part could be broken - it's a bit difficult to tell - but it's definitely there and not missing. One obvious thing I should've done was look at the other side to see if it's significantly different. I'll check that out this evening and maybe see if I can get a decent photo.

Thanks!

24th Jul 2014 2:01 pm

purplebadger

Member Since: 20 Jul 2014
Location: Scotland
Posts: 16

Disco_Mikey wrote:
More than likely just a heat shield touching the exhaust, or there is a known issue with the rear part of the exhaust, covered under a TSB

EDIT:

http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic63379.html

The Large One wrote:
MartinR wrote:
Topix has a bulletin that sounds related: LTB00479v2 3.0L TDV6 Exhaust Weld
Don't suppose anyone knows what it says?

SECTION: 309-00
3.0L TDV6 Exhaust Weld
AFFECTED VEHICLE RANGE:
Discovery 4 / LR4 (LA)
Model Year: 2010-2012
VIN: AA510178-CA638508

Range Rover Sport (LS)
Model Year: 2010-2012
VIN: AA212145-CA771688

MARKETS:
All Diesel Markets
CONDITION SUMMARY:
Situation:
This bulletin is for information only.

This version has been issued for a change to the Summary.

NOTE: The one piece exhaust is production fit only. For service repairs where the weld has broken prior to the cut off VIN numbers please refer to TOPIx Workshop Manual, section 309-00 Exhaust System for repair guidance.

A new (weld less) one piece exhaust system has now been introduced from Production from the following VIN numbers â€“ Discovery 4 â€“ CA638508 Range Rover Sport â€“ CA771688

If appropriate a local repair of the weld can be claimed under a ZZZ001 warranty claim.

Cause: Poor weld during manufacturing of the exhaust at the supplier.

Thanks, that sounds very plausible. The description of it sounding like a washing machine on low cycle is particularly accurate.

Urgh. This sounds expensive.

24th Jul 2014 2:04 pm

DiscoDunc

Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
Posts: 16390

2010 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 HSE Auto Aintree Green

my money is on a stone/clay stuck between the exhaust and the chassis. happened a few times on my D4 and D3 towards the back where the exhaust splits to two pipes

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24th Jul 2014 2:14 pm

purplebadger

Member Since: 20 Jul 2014
Location: Scotland
Posts: 16

Nope, not been off road ever, as far as I can tell. It's certainly done a lot of miles for its age, but it's in pretty much showroom condition otherwise.

Will have a proper look underneath tonight though, see what I can find.

24th Jul 2014 2:48 pm

purplebadger

Member Since: 20 Jul 2014
Location: Scotland
Posts: 16

So here's a picture of the component to which if I apply a little pressure, the noise stops completely: http://i.imgur.com/fz44ivJ.jpg

It's the oval shaped, rubber mounting (apologies for blurriness, quite difficult to get a phone to focus under there).

It could not be that thing, of course, and holding it just hides the problem, but it really does feel like something's just come a bit loose. I had the car up and down in the various ride positions and didn't have an issue.

I had a look at the other side though, and it doesn't appear to be different. It's difficult to tell from the angle.

The part itself is very cheap - would fitting it be similarly so, or am I getting ahead of myself in having "diagnosed" the problem?

Many thanks for all your replies, btw. This is a friendly and helpful place.

24th Jul 2014 6:38 pm

caverD3

Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922

If the weld id broken LR should fix under warranty. Known issue of a component failure. Even outside of the warranty they should come to the party.
Find out who serviced it and if a dealer speak to them. â€œThere are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.

24th Jul 2014 10:26 pm