I’m running two sets of rims/tyres at the moment, GG AT3 & Pirelli Verdre All Seasons. Both in 20” as that’s the smallest I can fit on my model FFRR.
If you’re not going to encounter deep mud off road, the All Seasons combined with correct use of the TR system will be more than sufficient.
I managed one wet winter (2019) of regular weekly off road use with just the All Seasons. I never actually got stuck but had a couple of tense moments, which is why I got a set of GG AT3.
If you watch the Harry Metcalfe video that was recently posted on here, he ran his new Defender 90 off road on his farm on All Seasons and was amazed!
The All Seasons are quieter and more fuel efficient than any of the AT options.
Sounds good option actually - thanksDiscovery 4 HSE SDV6 2012 MY (current)
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20th Sep 2022 7:53 pm
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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colinmister wrote:
Hi RonP,
I called my insurance who had no issue with Duratracs and Q rating. I do very little motorway driving but you raise a good point.
That’s great that they do cover it.
But it doesn’t make the tyre any safer in the speed rating differentials I mentioned.
But in your circumstances and if your gut feeling tells you, then yes I’d go for the Duratecs.
...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
20th Sep 2022 8:03 pm
qcnr
Member Since: 23 Nov 2017
Location: Norway
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Hi, I had the Pirelli All season on a 2007 RR Sport(255.55x20). It managed everything I threw at it and no problem keeping up
on off road days with the local LR club. Including tracks where low range is required.
Good road manners and lasted well. No idea how they are in winter, as where I live I use
dedicated winter tyres.
21st Sep 2022 8:27 am
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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Re: sidewalls and potential for damage, Hugh (HWN) on this forum ended up getting (from memory) 3 damaged sidewalls with the Duratrac. No tyre is immune if you meet the right (wrong) stone or root, etc.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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21st Sep 2022 8:49 am
Canburne
Member Since: 15 Jan 2013
Location: Devon
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colinmister wrote:
Hi Canburne. Was much of this on-road or off-road? Would be interested to know.
Mostly on road with wintertime off road at shoots on farm tracks and muddy fields. I lve in a very rural area and they have coped really well with snow and ice so have no hesitation in recommending them for both on and off road..
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21st Sep 2022 1:31 pm
kirkyworld
Member Since: 01 Mar 2016
Location: Northampton
Posts: 566
ronp wrote:
Had seriously considered swapping my AT3’s to Duratecs, they look and sound a fantastic tyre.
But what put me off is that they’re only Q (99mph) rated for the 20’s, whilst my AT3’s are V (149mph) ……. not that I travel at either of these speeds (or those in between or above).
It’s just that if a tyre were to “let go” at motorway speeds, imo the Q would let go first.
Up to 99mph the tyres meet the same standards so neither should 'let go' in ordinary use. In the UK I don't see any issue with a tyre with a rating wel in excess of its useable speed.
21st Sep 2022 1:53 pm
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
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I don’t agree with that analogy.
And with a choice to make, I would always err on the side of caution....... always on the road less travelled 🚧
It is one of the two things concerning me, speed rating and noise level on road surfaces. I do notice they carry an LR-approved accreditation. I also note the new one's carry an R rating (not much extra, but some).
Anyway, I need to make a choice tomorrow and get done, GG AT3 or Duratrac (which also may be overkill for my use).
Thanks for all the comments and advice though.Discovery 4 HSE SDV6 2012 MY (current)
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21st Sep 2022 4:02 pm
robpenrose
Member Since: 12 Jan 2016
Location: Surrey / SW London
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ronp wrote:
colinmister wrote:
Hi RonP,
I called my insurance who had no issue with Duratracs and Q rating. I do very little motorway driving but you raise a good point.
That’s great that they do cover it.
But it doesn’t make the tyre any safer in the speed rating differentials I mentioned.
But in your circumstances and if your gut feeling tells you, then yes I’d go for the Duratecs.
It’s nothing to do with the safety of the tyre, it’s how they are rated. I asked Goodyear a few years back why they changed the speed rating from S (I think they were)
“Dear Rob, the Duratrac in a number of sizes is now marketed as a Professional Off Road Tyre (P.O.R. ). This for some of the tyres has become necessary due to changes in tyre labelling. P.O.R tyres are exempt from the labelling grades eg amount of external -noise produced.
As part of the criteria to make a tyre Professional Off Road its speed rating can be no higher than Q. FYI Q = 100 mph.”
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21st Sep 2022 8:21 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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ronp wrote:
I don’t agree with that analogy.
And with a choice to make, I would always err on the side of caution.
Load rating is arguably more important than speed rating. The speed rating is just the maximum speed that the tyre has been tested as being good to run at its maximum load. So unless one is going to load up the vehicle to its maximum allowed mass and then drive it at significantly over the speed limit, you gain nothing from the higher speed rating. A higher load rating, on the other hand, gives you a greater margin at all normal speeds.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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So, decided on Duratrac's. I have to say i was worried about noise levels - what noise levels - perfect.
Initially feel good and very responsive on a dry road, gravel and light mud - main test to come.
They look great and instil confidence. More to follow as we progress ( see attachment)Discovery 4 HSE SDV6 2012 MY (current)
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23rd Sep 2022 8:20 pm
nebc100
Member Since: 20 Sep 2017
Location: Altlinster
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You will be happy with them. I have them on my D5 and they have been excellent. Just remember though... They are not winter rated, so if you drive in an area that requires Winter Tires (Germany for example) then they will not be accepted and you risk having insurance issues if you have an accident.
Otherwise... They are excellent.
I live in Luxembourg and switch between the GG AT3 for the winter and the Duratrac for the summer.
The AT3 is quieter and in the wet does give better grip, but the Duratrac is better off-road!!
Don't compare the AT3 to the AT2... Completely different tire, tread pattern etc.
Thank you for your comments. I went for the Duratracs due the amount of wet mud we experience here on our roads, which are dry steep and narrow.
I had AT2’s on my two D3’s and had two issues otherwise I loved them. They were hopeless on light wet mud and both had thinning of rims issue and I had to buy new alloys. Probably the AT3 are improved from the 2’s.
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24th Sep 2022 10:36 am
Nc1989
Member Since: 28 Apr 2015
Location: Doncaster
Posts: 213
Another fan of Duratracs here, run them on my work Discovery that is always fully loaded and often towing to max capacity. Great tyre that does everything, put a fresh set on a couple of weeks ago ready for winter - the ones that came off had done 62k miles and still had 7mm showing. Sold the set that came off for £200!
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