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dick dastardly
 


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the air suspension on the vw will give you 30cm clearance underneath but at the cost of being very stiff so you bounce over difficult terrain and lose traction with wheels in the air rather than the discos smooth easy approach albeit with the occasional scrape or grounding (solved by extended and super extended modes in emergencies)
 There's one wheel on my wagon, but i'm still rollin' along, it's the cherokee, they're after me, but I'm singing a happy song  
Post #63580114th Apr 2010 12:49 pm
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Doesn't the air suspension on the VW have the ability to tune the shocks? Maybe that was another inprovement Stuttgart made. The Cayenne's with air suspension can also alter the shocks to soften the ride.
  
Post #63582514th Apr 2010 1:44 pm
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Rai
 


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Thanks a lot to everybody for the replies and comments, really useful, and not as biased as I expected them to be Smile

Per my choice, as I have no kids (a future wife and a dog though), the 7 seater option is not that important to me, as well as the great cargo space that comes with the LR4. Furthermore, it is still not confirmed whether the Treg will have a 7-seat option or not - rumor has it that it will.

The important points for me were: The car should have good off-road capabilities, but possibly not to the extent that many of you use it. The weight/power ratio is important, and so is reliability. I have always been envious of Subaru owners who only stop by the repair shop only for the regular maintenance intervals - I think all cars should be like that when we all are paying through the nose.

So comparing a few key figures: LR4 vs TReg

HP 245 / 240
Torque 600 / 550
Weight-kg 2586 / 2174
Fuel Cons. 9.3 / 7.4
0-100km. 9.6 / 7.8
Gears 6 / 8
HP/kg*100 9.5 / 11
Torque/kg*100 23.2 / 25.3

I think the numbers speak for themselves. Looks etc all else is very personal and subjective, so no comparisons there. The key point then becomes - how off-road capable is the new terrain pack on the TReg ? (you can order air suspension w/the terrain pack on the treg) I drove the Disco 3, and thought the terrain response system worked like a dream. Yet the car felt heavy for the 190HP it had. Of course the new 245HP should feel much different.

One caveat here though - the above figures are for the TReg without the full terrain system. When you choose the terrain option+air suspension, of course it might get a little heavier, hence changing a lot of the figures above.
  
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dick dastardly
 


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LabRat wrote:
Doesn't the air suspension on the VW have the ability to tune the shocks? Maybe that was another inprovement Stuttgart made. The Cayenne's with air suspension can also alter the shocks to soften the ride.


its not the damping factor of the shocks but the amount of remaining travel in the system when fully raised Thumbs Up
 There's one wheel on my wagon, but i'm still rollin' along, it's the cherokee, they're after me, but I'm singing a happy song  
Post #63664815th Apr 2010 9:41 pm
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Then go for the Range Rover Sport. Far more capable than a Toerag on and off road Whistle
  
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This is like asking in a porsche forum, "should I get a ferrari".... Rolling with laughter

Just buy a D4, it's really a totally different car and class of cars. The VW is designed to be a street car on high legs, the D4 is a real jeep.
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Rai
 


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koen_dr wrote:
This is like asking in a porsche forum, "should I get a ferrari".... Rolling with laughter

Just buy a D4, it's really a totally different car and class of cars. The VW is designed to be a street car on high legs, the D4 is a real jeep.


Koen has two fair points Smile and in the order of fairness, I will go bug a Touareg forum with a similar question Wink

simon wrote:
Then go for the Range Rover Sport. Far more capable than a Toerag on and off road Whistle


The off-road part for the RRS is undisputed, but on the road the new Treg beats the RRS in many key specs.

So to sum up before this topic slowly drifts to the bottom of the sea, the choice is affected by:

1. Off road capabilities and the need of the driver thereof
2. Pricing on the new Treg
3. Whether the Disco is living its last two years as a model - if it's going to be dropped as discussed in another topic, this sure will put downward pressure on the secondary market price of the Disco 4, and potentially parts availability.
  
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1. Off-road, the Disco will probably beat the Touareg even without inflated tires Mr. Green
2. Can't comment on that....
3. Didn't follow that one yet, would be nice, because we then have an even more exclusive car 8)

I will be driving ours from monday on and will be writing our thoughts then
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The VW Toureag used in the Jude Law movie "Repo Men" looks the goods! Very Happy

That's about all that I can say is in favour of the Toureag.... Whistle
  
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DG wrote:
ad15 wrote:
it's had a 3.0 V6 way longer than LR, in fact, LR had to wait for jag to supply it...


Just shows how little you understand Whistle Wink


sorry DG,, put that badlly,,, ,,, the treg has had a very nice 3.0L for a long time now,,the LR only just got a nice 3.0L a la jaguar.

no expert on who bought what and when,,, but the treg 3L is a nice engine,,
 one wife.......livid  
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ToeRag is Censored off road Whistle (ie very Good)

No really it is the 19" Rims take MTR's as well

That said the Cayanne is not that bad either Whistle

My new X5 on the other hand is pants off Road but then I have a Defner & D3 for that Mr. Green
 

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Choices choices eh Ken Whistle Laughing
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Quote:
The VW is designed to be a street car on high legs, the D4 is a real jeep.


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As mentioned earlier there is a "My Treg" forum on which you can get an equally unbiased Whistle opinion.

VW are famed for reliability and I had a Touareg 3L diesel and it was excellent - but it was not a landrover - had it for 2 years but went back to landrover with a RRS.

It was pretty good off road with standard tyres, the only downside was limited ground clearance and for an off roader a very low air intake Shocked - behind the bumper.

I took it through the floods in July couple of years ago and was lucky to get out without Censored the engine.

Saying that about VW reliability it never let me down, but neither (touch wood) has any landrover(except one) I've ever had and that goes back to the earliest a 1957(671 WMH I think) series 2.

Over the last 30 years we as a family must have had at least 20 different landrover vehicles and the only one that broke down only once was a series 3 we bought from a farmer that had been standing for a couple of years and on the drive home from picking up died as a result of basically old fuel - sorted with a clean of carb and a tank of new fuel.

A VW has no soul or charachter a Land Rover has it in abundance.

Get old like me drive a FFRR TDV8 Whistle Whistle
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Touareg is what im going for next, no more Land Rover for me ta
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