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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10328
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Welcome back muddy 
Can’t believe I have been on here since first D3 in 2005 
No Volvo group discount  but the deals on offer when I brought mine were much better than any from LR, who just seem to want to be order takers on new cars.
Al Volvo XC90 B5 Plus Dark
Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
Ancient - D3 TDV6 S - Tonga with Ebony, 20" Stormers, satnav & DVD
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 31st May 2024 6:22 pm |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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Al I remember how eager dealers were to sell me all 9 of my LRs and the promises but everyone hid when I had problems - they even told me plenty of buyers queuing up for sales when I said I’d had enough 🤦♂️ Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 31st May 2024 7:02 pm |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 14128
  
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muddywheels4wd wrote:I do like the new Defender but not the price - I keep looking longingly and thinking if only 🤣
It's nice but over priced and no D4 replacement.  New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 31st May 2024 7:30 pm |
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ballast
Member Since: 13 Apr 2007
Location: South Midlands
Posts: 184
  
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Get a D4, with everything that goes with it, they are fabulous for all their many foibles and has been noted many, many times, Land Rover's are far from unique in that regard.
Join the Volvo XCZY90 whatever club and discuss the merits elsewhere if you want to do that.
Personally I'm not very interested in Volvo's, whatever the model, whatever their merits, I come on this forum to read about Land Rover's and specifically Discovery's.
Just my view.
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| 31st May 2024 8:12 pm |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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Moo wrote:muddywheels4wd wrote:I do like the new Defender but not the price - I keep looking longingly and thinking if only 🤣
It's nice but over priced and no D4 replacement.
I did wonder ☹️ Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 31st May 2024 8:16 pm |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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ballast wrote:Get a D4, with everything that goes with it, they are fabulous for all their many foibles and has been noted many, many times, Land Rover's are far from unique in that regard.
Join the Volvo XCZY90 whatever club and discuss the merits elsewhere if you want to do that.
Personally I'm not very interested in Volvo's, whatever the model, whatever their merits, I come on this forum to read about Land Rover's and specifically Discovery's.
Just my view.
👍 Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 31st May 2024 8:17 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23538
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Welcome back muddywheels4wd.
With the last D4 rolling off the production line in 2016, it’s inevitable that they’ll be discussion about younger alternatives.
The D5 is a very different vehicle and for many, myself included, wasn’t the natural replacement for the D4.
I settled for a FFRR, others chose Volvo’s and the ‘new’ Defender is a popular choice.
What we all have in common is a love for the D3/4. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 31st May 2024 9:15 pm |
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laf
Member Since: 05 Apr 2024
Location: Manchester
Posts: 38
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My opinion is based on being a Land Rover owner for about 6 weeks so take it with a pinch of salt.
Wife’s had two mk2 xc90 t8s for about 6 years now, first a 2017 now a 2022. I really like them and wouldn’t persuade her to swap it for anything else.
I had a 2013 D4 for four weeks and it was great but I wouldn’t pick it over the xc90, I’m now in a JLR D5 and would struggle to pick the xc90 now, I really like the D5, the looks are growing on me but the spec is great along with its capability.
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| 31st May 2024 10:18 pm |
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ruben
D3 Decade
Member Since: 26 Sep 2006
Location: ASTURIAS
Posts: 2410
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!D3 was the best! lost in translation!
DISCOVERY 3 SE man. TDV6 2006, my true love!
DEFENDER 2 SE D I6 MHEV 2024, other live.
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| 31st May 2024 10:42 pm |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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LT wrote:Welcome back muddywheels4wd.
With the last D4 rolling off the production line in 2016, it’s inevitable that they’ll be discussion about younger alternatives.
The D5 is a very different vehicle and for many, myself included, wasn’t the natural replacement for the D4.
I settled for a FFRR, others chose Volvo’s and the ‘new’ Defender is a popular choice.
What we all have in common is a love for the D3/4.
Hi again LT 👋
I was at the motor show when they launched the D3 and chauffeurs took us in a fleet of FFRRs to Solihull - a great day I’ll not forget 😎
At the time it was out of my price and we bought a FL2 instead to replace our D2 Metropolis (wish I’d kept it) 😳
I was also invited to the D4 launch and could afford it then but swmbo loved the RRS and I lost 🤣
After that it went downhill unfortunately and I never did get a D4 and always felt I missed out ☹️
A friend has a D5 (he had D4 before) and he loves it - also had no issues with it 😎
I’ve got to know a LR Indy through a caravan group and he thinks I’d be better with a FFRR - he advised avoid 2.0 ingenioum and 3.0 engines - he reckons he sees much less problems with the FF😮
I really like the FFRR but worried about cost to maintain and run one 🤔
I’ve spent a fortune on new LRs over the years and it didn’t work out so well in the end but maybe something older and money set aside to cover repairs might 🤞 Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 1st Jun 2024 9:02 am |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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laf wrote:My opinion is based on being a Land Rover owner for about 6 weeks so take it with a pinch of salt.
Wife’s had two mk2 xc90 t8s for about 6 years now, first a 2017 now a 2022. I really like them and wouldn’t persuade her to swap it for anything else.
I had a 2013 D4 for four weeks and it was great but I wouldn’t pick it over the xc90, I’m now in a JLR D5 and would struggle to pick the xc90 now, I really like the D5, the looks are growing on me but the spec is great along with its capability.
That’s very interesting and I hope it continues to go well 🤞 Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 1st Jun 2024 9:06 am |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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ruben wrote:!D3 was the best!
Hi again Ruben 👋
Agree when it came out I thought D3 was the dogs wotsits 😎
When I saw the D4 it looked more premium though and I wanted one 😳
The new Defender reminds me of the Disco I used to love - the D5 is more like the RRS I grew to hate 🤣 Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 1st Jun 2024 9:10 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 14128
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My youngest daughter has a 2008 D3. Absolutely love it. She's on a gap year after A Levels so I have it to use  and it's still brilliant
My Defender is very close to the driving experience and position of the D3/4, hence peoples comparisons. It's a great car but I still find the rear door a pain though, but the rest of it is very good. The 3.0l six Ingenium engines also great and there seem to be very few issues reported on the forums and groups.
If the sensible and very capable XC90 isn't you, then there are some good Defenders at dealers that might be worth looking at or as LT says, get a FFRR. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 1st Jun 2024 10:07 am |
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Icarus
Member Since: 15 Jul 2023
Location: Essex
Posts: 56
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I took the plunge last July and bought myself an early D4 as a 2nd vehicle.
I was (and still am) apprehensive about the amount of technology in the vehicle, my previous 2nd vehicle being a Series Land Rover, but so far my D4 has been fine. It’s done 133,000 miles, and I’ve put about 3500 miles on it over the last year.
I have yet to take it on a really long trip with SWMBO, given that we’re both retired persons, and don’t fancy shivering at the side of a motorway on a dark, cold wet night should it break down, but I’m gradually gaining confidence in the vehicle.
Mine’s a 2010MY D4XS, well enough specced, and I’ve kept around £2000 back to cover the first year’s spares, repairs, and general improvements. I need to get it treated underneath to guard against the tin worm, get the wheels refurbished, get a few scratches and dings addressed, as well as keeping it fully and properly maintained by my LR indie from whom I bought it.
Having said that, I absolutely love my LR Discovery4. I believe it to be one of the finest Land Rovers produced, despite the well-documented faults. If I can get any faults fixed, and I do expect some to develop in a 14 year old luxury vehicle, then I will continue to run my D4 as a classic vehicle, and practice a “rolling restoration” approach.
So that’s my two penny worth. I’m not interested in a D5, I think it’s a retrograde step from the D4. I like the look of the new LWB Defender, but for me any thing that claims to be a genuine working vehicle, just HAS to have a tailgate, not a rear door or a hatchback - style lifting rear door.
Therefore, I am so glad I bought my D4. I’ve loved it from the first drive, I don’t regret buying it (and hope I never do), and I’m looking forward to running it for the remaining years that I am able to drive. If you’ve ever owned one, sold it and missed it, and hanker after another, just go and get one.
You just know there will never be another vehicle with the towering abilities, practicalities, and luxuries of the Land Rover Discovery4. Just keep enough money around to fix the faults!  I’m a Disco 4 believer. What a vehicle!
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| 1st Jun 2024 10:21 am |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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Swmbo would have a FFRR tomorrow but she doesn’t have to deal with the issues - that’s my job 🙄
She’d also have a D5 or a new Defender - we both have LR running through our veins and it’s been 8 years so the memories have faded of what it was like towards the end 😳
The kids (now adults) think we’re mad as they remember my moods🤣 Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 1st Jun 2024 10:24 am |
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